Sep 30, 2026 · 29 min · 8 segments
What does it take for Canada to effectively sustain its Victoria-class submarines? In this episode of the Vanguard Defense Podcast, Steve Ladurantaye sits down with Ken Cox, director of the submarine…
Steve LadurantayeHostWhat are some ways, I've been talking to a lot of companies around submarines, around sustainment, around all the stuff that goes around the outside of this.
And one of the things that keeps coming up is workforce, right? It's like you can have all this stuff, but if you don't have the trained people to operate it, then you're kind of, you know, you're no better off than you were when you started.
So what are some of the ways Canada can build a suitable workforce to maintain the new submarine
For us, and for the support we've been giving the Royal Canadian Navy in CSBC, like one of the fundamental things is training.
There has to be a plan, not when the boat arrives, but years ahead of the arrival of the first 212 CD, which right now is, you know, said, you know, no contract is signed right now.
Um, so long before that, we have to have people standing on the dock side, educated, trained and understanding of what they have to do.
So they'll be at, you'll have an option while you're doing engineering studies, firstly at UBC to get an introduction into why is submarine engineering different than a ship? Like, why, you know, why is it different? And, you know, the short answer is because, you know, why is it airplane maintenance different than a truck maintenance? It's because when something goes wrong on the airplane, you need to know that you've done everything to make sure that you've got either backup systems to correct the problem or you've done everything possible to manage that, the problem, the probability of the problem happening because the severity is so bad that the probability of something going wrong has been eliminated as best you could by having all the evidence to control it.
So to try and introduce to young engineers that are, you know, just deciding what they want to do, you know, why submarines might be an interesting thing.
And, you know, with the introduction of up to 12 212 CDs, this is an industry that you will be able to choose and stay in for your entire career, you know, as long as you want, because this is going to be around.
But we've leveraged that training and Canadianized it and we're getting ready to start delivering that to defense and industry partners that want to get their people that aren't necessarily submariners more swept and more up to speed and what's different why are submarines treated differently what's what are the challenges what are the opportunities so we're looking to start putting that together and we've worked closely with Canada to to establish a set of training courses for primarily for D&D, but for the enterprise.
So people have a better understanding of how submarine material safety management is done.
What are some ways, I've been talking to a lot of companies around submarines, around sustainment, around all the stuff that goes around the outside of this.
And one of the things that keeps coming up is workforce, right? It's like you can have all this stuff, but if you don't have the trained people to operate it, then you're kind of, you know, you're no better off than you were when you started.
So what are some of the ways Canada can build a suitable workforce to maintain the new submarine
For us, and for the support we've been giving the Royal Canadian Navy in CSBC, like one of the fundamental things is training.
There has to be a plan, not when the boat arrives, but years ahead of the arrival of the first 212 CD, which right now is, you know, said, you know, no contract is signed right now.
Um, so long before that, we have to have people standing on the dock side, educated, trained and understanding of what they have to do.
So they'll be at, you'll have an option while you're doing engineering studies, firstly at UBC to get an introduction into why is submarine engineering different than a ship? Like, why, you know, why is it different? And, you know, the short answer is because, you know, why is it airplane maintenance different than a truck maintenance? It's because when something goes wrong on the airplane, you need to know that you've done everything to make sure that you've got either backup systems to correct the problem or you've done everything possible to manage that, the problem, the probability of the problem happening because the severity is so bad that the probability of something going wrong has been eliminated as best you could by having all the evidence to control it.
So to try and introduce to young engineers that are, you know, just deciding what they want to do, you know, why submarines might be an interesting thing.
And, you know, with the introduction of up to 12 212 CDs, this is an industry that you will be able to choose and stay in for your entire career, you know, as long as you want, because this is going to be around.
But we've leveraged that training and Canadianized it and we're getting ready to start delivering that to defense and industry partners that want to get their people that aren't necessarily submariners more swept and more up to speed and what's different why are submarines treated differently what's what are the challenges what are the opportunities so we're looking to start putting that together and we've worked closely with Canada to to establish a set of training courses for primarily for D&D, but for the enterprise.
So people have a better understanding of how submarine material safety management is done.
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