Oct 20, 2026 · 55 min · 11 segments
The government is spending more on interest payments than on national defense. How did America get here? And why do politicians keep spending more than they collect in taxes? On this episode of *The…
Richard SalsmanGuest
Tom SavageGuestPaul MuellerHost
Just to personalize this, if I said to someone, your personal debt doesn't really matter, they would say, no, it does matter.

But if you're a millionaire, you see, so what I'm getting at is the first thing to recognize is you have to bring in context.

And if you don't pay them, you go bankrupt, you can have your assets seized and things like that.

Now, the big question in public debt, which is really a standard for government debt versus personal debt, it's often thought of was governments can't go bankrupt.

And since governments actually run the bankruptcy courts, there's a certain truth to that, that they can't technically go bankrupt, but governments have defaulted on their debts.

The same thing is true with governments as to personal, with the difference is they can print money and you can't.

I mean, you can try to print money, but that's usually counterfeiting and they'll arrest you.

Just to personalize this, if I said to someone, your personal debt doesn't really matter, they would say, no, it does matter.

But if you're a millionaire, you see, so what I'm getting at is the first thing to recognize is you have to bring in context.

And if you don't pay them, you go bankrupt, you can have your assets seized and things like that.

Now, the big question in public debt, which is really a standard for government debt versus personal debt, it's often thought of was governments can't go bankrupt.

And since governments actually run the bankruptcy courts, there's a certain truth to that, that they can't technically go bankrupt, but governments have defaulted on their debts.

The same thing is true with governments as to personal, with the difference is they can print money and you can't.

I mean, you can try to print money, but that's usually counterfeiting and they'll arrest you.
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