Oct 14, 2026 · 47 min · 10 segments
Why do we keep reliving the same painful patterns, even when we can see them coming? In this episode, psychotherapist and complex trauma expert Dr. Gillian O’Shea Brown joins me to explore how Greek…
Gillian O'Shea BrownGuest
Sarah HerstichHost
I mean, you already mentioned some of the, some of the myths, some of the stories that I'd love to kind of get into.


It could be, "I'm not good enough." It could be, "I'm too much." And in this Psychological Achilles Heel chapter, I used, um, Matthew Perry's memoir as, um, as a case study, and anyone that has read that memoir, and he has a documentary coming out later this month, he repeatedly said in his memoir, "I'm broken." And it was something he started telling himself early on when he felt very unseen in a stressed out family system.

And it's emblematic of what happens in complex trauma, where you have an early formative memory where, you know, when a parent looks through you with despondent eyes, you don't stop loving them.

You stop loving yourself, and you start telling yourself a story about yourself, that core negative belief.

And then what happens is that anything that serves as the bite that fits the wound, that aggravates that pain, it's the cumulative pain of all of the times that you felt that way.

So in, um, I guess, the Achilles chapter, what I do is I have people map out their core negative belief, and there's a technique to do this.

And then what we do, and I always do this in complex trauma treatment, is they write it on the top of a page.

They do a timeline, and they write down three to five times in their life when they felt this way.

And, uh, almost like the headline of a newspaper, just enough to take the memory from your internal cabinet, and then you start to see, oh, I started to feel not good enough at 5 and 7 and 12 and at 19.

And it, the corrective experience I needed the most would've been to be seen, to be held, to be believed.


And we tend to unconsciously reenact the past, um, because the unexamined history is doomed to repetition.

And there's a quote from Carl Jung that I love, and he says, "Until you make the unconscious conscious, it continues to rule your life, and you call it fate." But the simplest way that I can explain repetition compulsion is that if we were all in a circle, and we all threw our problems in the circle, and you could pick anyone's problems, you would probably choose your own again.

I mean, you already mentioned some of the, some of the myths, some of the stories that I'd love to kind of get into.


It could be, "I'm not good enough." It could be, "I'm too much." And in this Psychological Achilles Heel chapter, I used, um, Matthew Perry's memoir as, um, as a case study, and anyone that has read that memoir, and he has a documentary coming out later this month, he repeatedly said in his memoir, "I'm broken." And it was something he started telling himself early on when he felt very unseen in a stressed out family system.

And it's emblematic of what happens in complex trauma, where you have an early formative memory where, you know, when a parent looks through you with despondent eyes, you don't stop loving them.

You stop loving yourself, and you start telling yourself a story about yourself, that core negative belief.

And then what happens is that anything that serves as the bite that fits the wound, that aggravates that pain, it's the cumulative pain of all of the times that you felt that way.

So in, um, I guess, the Achilles chapter, what I do is I have people map out their core negative belief, and there's a technique to do this.

And then what we do, and I always do this in complex trauma treatment, is they write it on the top of a page.

They do a timeline, and they write down three to five times in their life when they felt this way.

And, uh, almost like the headline of a newspaper, just enough to take the memory from your internal cabinet, and then you start to see, oh, I started to feel not good enough at 5 and 7 and 12 and at 19.

And it, the corrective experience I needed the most would've been to be seen, to be held, to be believed.


And we tend to unconsciously reenact the past, um, because the unexamined history is doomed to repetition.

And there's a quote from Carl Jung that I love, and he says, "Until you make the unconscious conscious, it continues to rule your life, and you call it fate." But the simplest way that I can explain repetition compulsion is that if we were all in a circle, and we all threw our problems in the circle, and you could pick anyone's problems, you would probably choose your own again.
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