Adam Kinzinger: Trump Has Never Seemed this Scared

Uh, I guess we should start with Donald Trump saying that Democratic lawmakers should be... that they have, uh, done sedition, and which is punishable by death.

That was a bleat that Trump put out.

Uh, this is in response to something we talked a little bit about with Susan Glasser on yesterday's pod.

But, but in case you missed that, you're not...

You're supposed to be listening every day, but just in case you missed that.

There was a group of Democratic House and Senate veterans who put out a video that was basically saying, you know, uh, to the men and women in uniform, if you get an illegal order, you shouldn't follow it.

You should follow your oath and, and the code of conduct.

I played the clip yesterday of Stephen Miller saying this was insurrection.

His boss went a little bit further, saying this is sedition and punishable by death.

I wanna hear both your reaction to just the video that the Democratic veterans did, as a fellow veteran, and, and the message, and then, and then what you think about Trump.

Yeah, so on the video itself, I think it's, it's fine, obvi-...

I think it's good.

It's just the question is in what context.

If, if they're saying it, and I, and I didn't see the whole video, if they were saying like, "Hey, these current strikes on drug boats, those are illegal, and you should refuse to execute it," then I think that's a bridge too far.

Because you can't put, necessarily, geopolitical decisions on an individual soldier or airman or whatever, right?

They did not give that example, by the way.

Okay, then good.

So then, in that case, what they said is not, shouldn't even be controversial.

In fact, I tweeted it yesterday.

I came home and tweeted, "Military members should refuse illegal orders." That's basic Constitution.

The fact, though, that they then jump into, while they're talking about the drug boats or talking about what Donald Trump is doing, that says more about the Republicans defending him.

The fact is, as a military member, it is your responsibility not to do an illegal order.

And that's basic.

It shouldn't, it shouldn't lead to threats of execution, for God's sakes.

On the second part of it, like, you know, having been at Cheney's funeral and recognizing that probably even three-quarters of the people in there were not Dick Cheney fans.

Uh, I guess we should start with Donald Trump saying that Democratic lawmakers should be... that they have, uh, done sedition, and which is punishable by death.

That was a bleat that Trump put out.

Uh, this is in response to something we talked a little bit about with Susan Glasser on yesterday's pod.

But, but in case you missed that, you're not...

You're supposed to be listening every day, but just in case you missed that.

There was a group of Democratic House and Senate veterans who put out a video that was basically saying, you know, uh, to the men and women in uniform, if you get an illegal order, you shouldn't follow it.

You should follow your oath and, and the code of conduct.

I played the clip yesterday of Stephen Miller saying this was insurrection.

His boss went a little bit further, saying this is sedition and punishable by death.

I wanna hear both your reaction to just the video that the Democratic veterans did, as a fellow veteran, and, and the message, and then, and then what you think about Trump.

Yeah, so on the video itself, I think it's, it's fine, obvi-...

I think it's good.

It's just the question is in what context.

If, if they're saying it, and I, and I didn't see the whole video, if they were saying like, "Hey, these current strikes on drug boats, those are illegal, and you should refuse to execute it," then I think that's a bridge too far.

Because you can't put, necessarily, geopolitical decisions on an individual soldier or airman or whatever, right?

They did not give that example, by the way.

Okay, then good.

So then, in that case, what they said is not, shouldn't even be controversial.

In fact, I tweeted it yesterday.

I came home and tweeted, "Military members should refuse illegal orders." That's basic Constitution.

The fact, though, that they then jump into, while they're talking about the drug boats or talking about what Donald Trump is doing, that says more about the Republicans defending him.

The fact is, as a military member, it is your responsibility not to do an illegal order.

And that's basic.

It shouldn't, it shouldn't lead to threats of execution, for God's sakes.

On the second part of it, like, you know, having been at Cheney's funeral and recognizing that probably even three-quarters of the people in there were not Dick Cheney fans.