The Behavioral Observations Podcast with Matt Cicoria
Apr 25, 2026 · 1 hr 14 min · 20 segments
In this episode, I'm joined by Drs. Brandon May and Maggie Pavone…
No, I mean, I think I, I understand the sce- the scenario and, and the population and, and certainly the, the why is pretty obvious.
Yeah, so if you can move forward, move it, move it forward in terms of like, okay, what did you actually do to move the needle on these, you know, on these various-
But I'd say first things, like in transparency to the listener, like we are 100% building this plane as we're flying it, right? So like we, we knew this was a problem.
We were going into these day program, this day program and feeling like we individually could scramble and get a good program designed and get some good outcomes.
And as we were doing it, we kept feeling like more standardization would be really helpful for everyone who's doing this day to day.
And again, drawing from some of that inspiration from the setup of the PEAK curriculum, truthfully, like how do we get frontline practitioners this really nice roadmap? And so that has then led us to build these learning suites within the Fit4All umbrella.
And so Kate talked about Food Light Learning, so that's the first publicly available learning suite we have.
And so that's teaching nutrition choice, nutrition education curriculum, combining two different evidence-based strategies, the traffic light diet from family-based obesity treatment, which Leonard Epstein and his group have been publishing on for 50 years.
I, I can get you some research on that, Matt, for the sh- the show notes, but hi- his group has been great.
And then that's kind of the, the evidence-based kind of understanding of there's green light foods, yellow light foods, red light foods.
But once you've identified those, it's just giving you this framework for how to think about food.
But it's, we designed this system that all the learning suites we have are gonna follow the same Fit4All framework.
So that's, we've got an assessment that you're gonna go through that's gonna benchmark your current skill set no matter what area we're assessing.
We're gonna provide a m- a, a kind of s- treatment planning tool that's help you write up the results, set the goals with the individual.
So we've got curriculum assessment leads to goals and treatment plan, leads to curriculum or, or lesson plans.
And then we've got data sheets to look at that, that outcomes monitoring for anyone that needs them.
No, I mean, I think I, I understand the sce- the scenario and, and the population and, and certainly the, the why is pretty obvious.
Yeah, so if you can move forward, move it, move it forward in terms of like, okay, what did you actually do to move the needle on these, you know, on these various-
But I'd say first things, like in transparency to the listener, like we are 100% building this plane as we're flying it, right? So like we, we knew this was a problem.
We were going into these day program, this day program and feeling like we individually could scramble and get a good program designed and get some good outcomes.
And as we were doing it, we kept feeling like more standardization would be really helpful for everyone who's doing this day to day.
And again, drawing from some of that inspiration from the setup of the PEAK curriculum, truthfully, like how do we get frontline practitioners this really nice roadmap? And so that has then led us to build these learning suites within the Fit4All umbrella.
And so Kate talked about Food Light Learning, so that's the first publicly available learning suite we have.
And so that's teaching nutrition choice, nutrition education curriculum, combining two different evidence-based strategies, the traffic light diet from family-based obesity treatment, which Leonard Epstein and his group have been publishing on for 50 years.
I, I can get you some research on that, Matt, for the sh- the show notes, but hi- his group has been great.
And then that's kind of the, the evidence-based kind of understanding of there's green light foods, yellow light foods, red light foods.
But once you've identified those, it's just giving you this framework for how to think about food.
But it's, we designed this system that all the learning suites we have are gonna follow the same Fit4All framework.
So that's, we've got an assessment that you're gonna go through that's gonna benchmark your current skill set no matter what area we're assessing.
We're gonna provide a m- a, a kind of s- treatment planning tool that's help you write up the results, set the goals with the individual.
So we've got curriculum assessment leads to goals and treatment plan, leads to curriculum or, or lesson plans.
And then we've got data sheets to look at that, that outcomes monitoring for anyone that needs them.
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