May 27, 2026 · 1 hr 21 min · 14 segments
Bobby Hakkarainen is a therapeutic counsellor, men’s work leader, father, and longtime member and leader in the ARKA Brotherhood. In this episode of Arka Talks, host Matt Cooke sits down with Bobby…
Bobby HakkarainenGuestSo you worked in film doing, constructing sets and, and, and, and such for a while.

I always talk, ta- talk to people and, like, I go and say, "What do you do now?" "I'm a counselor." And they're like, "That's, like, the total opposite."

Uh, but I, I guess, you know, well, I was working in film, and I wasn't on set anymore, but I was, like, in a management, uh, role working on different productions in town.

Yeah, I started holding space, or space was held for me, more importantly.

COVID came along, and I saw all these people working at home or abroad, and I was like, "What can I do-

... that where I could move around and not have to be stuck in one place?" I'd been in this job-
So you worked in film doing, constructing sets and, and, and, and such for a while.

I always talk, ta- talk to people and, like, I go and say, "What do you do now?" "I'm a counselor." And they're like, "That's, like, the total opposite."

Uh, but I, I guess, you know, well, I was working in film, and I wasn't on set anymore, but I was, like, in a management, uh, role working on different productions in town.

Yeah, I started holding space, or space was held for me, more importantly.

COVID came along, and I saw all these people working at home or abroad, and I was like, "What can I do-

... that where I could move around and not have to be stuck in one place?" I'd been in this job-
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