Mm-hmm.

"Uh, and, uh, you can strip this foundation." I was like, "Yeah, sure." So I went out there, and then he just dropped me off, showed me how to do it, and then, uh, left and left me there and, uh, and I was packing these...

You have to, you have to, you have this sledgehammer, and you gotta knock off all these, these ties, these steel ties, and take out these weir bars and these bars.

You gotta pack them out.

It was on a hillside, so you had to hike them up along with these ten foot by two foot panels.

And I think I was grade nine or ten, so I was fifteen years old.

But the funny thing about that day was, uh, it was on this hillside, so I could see kind of...

And this has to do with often, uh, what's known as shadow work.Can you speak a little to shadow work?