TWPS Scary Talk with NATALIE ERIKA JAMES (Saccharine, Relic, Apartment 7A)

Yeah, absolutely.

And, and what we're gonna jump around because this is such a great...

I, I love this, this, uh, discussion we're starting on Saccharin because-

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I talked about how you treat the mirror as if it's its own character with its own point of view.

You did that with the scale too, and I'm pointing-

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this out, and I'm keeping this spoiler-free because the movie's currently in theaters, and I want people to experience it the way that audiences should experience it.

But that's-

Sure

... something that I really clocked because you established that early in terms of, like, how this is gonna be such a barometer of whether she's w- well, uh, worthwhile or not.

That's her self-worth-

Mm-hmm

... that's being all predicated upon this thing, and you're treating it like the thing is watching her and judging her.

It's being judge, jury, executioner.

So, and the visual itself is really cool 'cause you just see this, like, these feet just coming onto, like, the plate glass.

But the fact that you gave it its own point of view, and we're pointing upwards and looking almost very judgmentally on a very non-flattering angle-

Mm-hmm

... of Hannah, it's like, "Okay-

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this is what we're up against." And, and I also wanted to ask you, Natalie, was, like, Carl Jung sort of shadow self coming into your psyche in terms of, like, Bertha and all that stuff, and, like, the fear of, "This is what I'm gonna become," or maybe that's how she actually sees herself in the mirror if we're talking body dysmorphia?

Yeah.