Oct 14, 2026 · 40 min · 10 segments
What happens when you build a product, then realise it could be used in ways you never intended? Natalie Binns is joined by Pavitra Tandon, founder of Villain’s Hat in the latest episode of Tech…
And you just made me think of Tony Stark, like creating these amazing ideas and turning them into products and then realizing the dangers of what you've built, even though you went about it with a. Genuine desire to solve a problem in a positive way.
And when you were talking about the tool to be able to speak to your mom, that resonated with me.
misuse areas and although I'm quite cautious about tech you know and I think we all are we're probably more cautious now because of the misuses because we've seen things come out like social media that seemed great at the time and then when you add on the extra layers and things start to happen and you're persuaded to think in a certain way all these things that have been created with advancements in technology.
It's fascinating that you have come to the point of creating this and it's really exciting.
I guess you worked in a technical function from a UI perspective and a user experience perspective.
So understanding, you know, how people are engaging and using the technology and the systems and everything.
for me um when i decided to take back uh like you know shut down echo note and rose fluenza for me it was like okay what do i do next i know i want to do something because i've always been in the corporate world and i know how decisions are being made and me having You know, I have built business cases.
Yes, users are great, but if it's not about the money, they're least interested.
So I started thinking about if I wanted to ensure that, you know, let's not put the onus on AI.
Let's start taking the onus back on the humans who are making the decisions instead of blaming everything on AI.
And you just made me think of Tony Stark, like creating these amazing ideas and turning them into products and then realizing the dangers of what you've built, even though you went about it with a. Genuine desire to solve a problem in a positive way.
And when you were talking about the tool to be able to speak to your mom, that resonated with me.
misuse areas and although I'm quite cautious about tech you know and I think we all are we're probably more cautious now because of the misuses because we've seen things come out like social media that seemed great at the time and then when you add on the extra layers and things start to happen and you're persuaded to think in a certain way all these things that have been created with advancements in technology.
It's fascinating that you have come to the point of creating this and it's really exciting.
I guess you worked in a technical function from a UI perspective and a user experience perspective.
So understanding, you know, how people are engaging and using the technology and the systems and everything.
for me um when i decided to take back uh like you know shut down echo note and rose fluenza for me it was like okay what do i do next i know i want to do something because i've always been in the corporate world and i know how decisions are being made and me having You know, I have built business cases.
Yes, users are great, but if it's not about the money, they're least interested.
So I started thinking about if I wanted to ensure that, you know, let's not put the onus on AI.
Let's start taking the onus back on the humans who are making the decisions instead of blaming everything on AI.
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