Sep 15, 2026 · 46 min · 12 segments
Allen Arnold has spent the last fifteen years as Executive Producer of Content with Wild at Heart, the ministry founded by John Eldredge, and published roughly 500 novels in the decade before that. He…
John ChristensenHost
Cameron BondHostAnd obviously, you guys are focused in the financial and in the investment realm.
I deal more in the creative realm in terms of people's passions and creativity and how the outpouring of that.
And It's easy to know, you know, I talk to a lot of people and they'll be like, well, I think I'm in story one.
Like, do you choose a life where you're at the center of your story or where God is at the center of your story? Or do you choose a life of abundance, seeing things through the lens of abundance or through the lens of scarcity? Do you see things through the lens of love or fear? Right? And both of those, Love and fear are opposites, right? Abundance and scarcity.
Who's at the center, God or us? All of those things will tell us immediately, are we spending most of our time in story one or story two? And the goal, like you said, is get back into story one in every aspect of your life.

And that's, it is one of the interesting parallels and a lot of it is, what so many of the families that we work with, they are faith based and they are.

I mean, not only are they very generous philanthropic and quite frankly their question that most of them are asking is like what would the lord have me do with these resources whether that's keeping it in the business to bless their employees whether it's keeping it in the family to bless future generations whether it's giving it away to be charitably you know to be to help support ministries or non-profits or things that they're passionate about.

So it is interesting is that really this idea of like unleashing the imagination is something that we're, quite frankly, always trying to move toward.

And we're trying to encourage families to move toward like, you know, again, like a very, you know, like a very secular and quite frankly, sacred thing is like this idea of like, you know, when we talk to families often, they don't think much of much beyond the next year or two.

But a lot of times what we do is we say, hey, let's actually project out in the future, 50 years from now, 100 years from now, like what impact could this nonprofit have? What impact could this ministry have? What impact could your business have? I mean, so it is just, it's very parallel and very fun as we help people make long-term decisions for the kingdom, for their family, for their business, that kind of thing.
And you nailed something that I think is key to just reinforce, which is imagination, because you can't create something that you can't imagine.
And so you can't create or make a better future if you don't have help with your team or someone helping people imagine what could be.
And, you know, scripture is full of encouragement for us to have eyes to see, not just what is, but what could be.
And so, yeah, that's a key component, I think, in what we both do is helping people not see the present, because anybody can just open their eyes and see that.
But how do you see the future so that you can imagine it and then make it be a place that you actually are living in and creating from?
And obviously, you guys are focused in the financial and in the investment realm.
I deal more in the creative realm in terms of people's passions and creativity and how the outpouring of that.
And It's easy to know, you know, I talk to a lot of people and they'll be like, well, I think I'm in story one.
Like, do you choose a life where you're at the center of your story or where God is at the center of your story? Or do you choose a life of abundance, seeing things through the lens of abundance or through the lens of scarcity? Do you see things through the lens of love or fear? Right? And both of those, Love and fear are opposites, right? Abundance and scarcity.
Who's at the center, God or us? All of those things will tell us immediately, are we spending most of our time in story one or story two? And the goal, like you said, is get back into story one in every aspect of your life.

And that's, it is one of the interesting parallels and a lot of it is, what so many of the families that we work with, they are faith based and they are.

I mean, not only are they very generous philanthropic and quite frankly their question that most of them are asking is like what would the lord have me do with these resources whether that's keeping it in the business to bless their employees whether it's keeping it in the family to bless future generations whether it's giving it away to be charitably you know to be to help support ministries or non-profits or things that they're passionate about.

So it is interesting is that really this idea of like unleashing the imagination is something that we're, quite frankly, always trying to move toward.

And we're trying to encourage families to move toward like, you know, again, like a very, you know, like a very secular and quite frankly, sacred thing is like this idea of like, you know, when we talk to families often, they don't think much of much beyond the next year or two.

But a lot of times what we do is we say, hey, let's actually project out in the future, 50 years from now, 100 years from now, like what impact could this nonprofit have? What impact could this ministry have? What impact could your business have? I mean, so it is just, it's very parallel and very fun as we help people make long-term decisions for the kingdom, for their family, for their business, that kind of thing.
And you nailed something that I think is key to just reinforce, which is imagination, because you can't create something that you can't imagine.
And so you can't create or make a better future if you don't have help with your team or someone helping people imagine what could be.
And, you know, scripture is full of encouragement for us to have eyes to see, not just what is, but what could be.
And so, yeah, that's a key component, I think, in what we both do is helping people not see the present, because anybody can just open their eyes and see that.
But how do you see the future so that you can imagine it and then make it be a place that you actually are living in and creating from?
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