The World's First Super-terrorist
Aug 21, 2026 · 55 min · 19 segments
Joby Warrick wrote the book on Carlos The Jackal. He joins the SpyTalk crew to talk about the extraordinary life of the modern world’s first super-terrorist. Check out the book |…
Aug 21, 2026 · 55 min · 19 segments
Joby Warrick wrote the book on Carlos The Jackal. He joins the SpyTalk crew to talk about the extraordinary life of the modern world’s first super-terrorist. Check out the book |…
Joby WarrickGuest
Jeff SteinHost
Michael IsikoffHost
Karen GreenbergHost
But first there are, uh, important new developments in our corner of the intelligence world, and I'd first like to talk a little bit about an extraordinary piece that Julia Kirley, our guest on last week's podcast, wrote at The Atlantic magazine.
Loyal listeners will remember that, uh, Kirley was a top intelligence analyst at the CIA.
She was so highly regarded that she was a White House briefer on all manner of subjects from the Middle East to Ukraine to terrorism.
Vice President Mike Pence in the first Trump administration selected her to be his personal briefer.
But Laura Loomer outed her as trans, and that began the downfall of her career, and she was quickly ushered out of the... or really forced out of the intelligence community.
No, we don't, but you know, she has sources in the MAGA sections of the Trump administration, and she hears things.
Excuse me, Mike Pence, you know, the, uh, the [laughs] rock-ribbed Republican bastion of religious evangelism, uh, he said he just sort of shrugged and went along, you know? He liked Julia as a really great, uh, briefer.
I saw, you know, she was saying she was grateful for, uh, how Pence... how tolerant Pence was.
Uh, uh, what we talked about, uh, on our podcast with Julia last week was the disarray in the top ranks of the intelligence community, uh, over these r- repeated purges that we've talked about a lot over the past, uh, couple of years.
Uh, starting with, uh, uh, the ODNI, you know, not liking the intelligence board's conclusion on Trin d'Agua, saying it was not an invasion of the United States.
But first there are, uh, important new developments in our corner of the intelligence world, and I'd first like to talk a little bit about an extraordinary piece that Julia Kirley, our guest on last week's podcast, wrote at The Atlantic magazine.
Loyal listeners will remember that, uh, Kirley was a top intelligence analyst at the CIA.
She was so highly regarded that she was a White House briefer on all manner of subjects from the Middle East to Ukraine to terrorism.
Vice President Mike Pence in the first Trump administration selected her to be his personal briefer.
But Laura Loomer outed her as trans, and that began the downfall of her career, and she was quickly ushered out of the... or really forced out of the intelligence community.
No, we don't, but you know, she has sources in the MAGA sections of the Trump administration, and she hears things.
Excuse me, Mike Pence, you know, the, uh, the [laughs] rock-ribbed Republican bastion of religious evangelism, uh, he said he just sort of shrugged and went along, you know? He liked Julia as a really great, uh, briefer.
I saw, you know, she was saying she was grateful for, uh, how Pence... how tolerant Pence was.
Uh, uh, what we talked about, uh, on our podcast with Julia last week was the disarray in the top ranks of the intelligence community, uh, over these r- repeated purges that we've talked about a lot over the past, uh, couple of years.
Uh, starting with, uh, uh, the ODNI, you know, not liking the intelligence board's conclusion on Trin d'Agua, saying it was not an invasion of the United States.
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