Carlos the Jackal

Yeah, isn't that interesting? Isn't it interesting? He did eventually go back to Italy and decided to serve out the rest of his remainder of his sentence in Italy, and he's remained free to this day.

But that leads a lot, I think, to a lot of people in Italy that leads a lot of credence to the Hyperion schools might be more valid as sort of covers for political extremism and political violence because it was also alleged that Carlos the Jackal, PLO, the RAF, they were all getting trained at the Hyperion schools There was this networking, just like there was networking with the extreme right and the fascist, the neo-fascist, which Stefano Della Chiai, that I mentioned earlier, utilized himself to escape a lot of the investigations into the terrorist plots, according to the Bologna bombings, which were probably the most devastating out of all of the terrorist bombings and bombing attacks.

he was able to be spirited away somehow to Latin America into places, I believe in Bolivia.

He set roots in Bolivia and that's kind of odd that they were able to transverse all across Latin America.

Let's talk about the Bologna massacre and then we'll start wrapping up and we'll see if we can pick up another time.

do a little bit more

okay the bologna massacre was uh largely a train station it was this um this nexus that was going to between rome and milan uh by the way there was that was not the only bombing there also was the italicus bombings as well uh but the people they believe was behind that They speculated for a long time that it might have been Carlos the Jackal, considering it coincided with a lot of the violence in Rome with the PLO at the time.

That was decided in 2005 by some investigators.

Our next guest came face-to-face with one of the world's most infamous terrorists, a notoriously cold-blooded mass murderer, and lived to tell the tale.

Admittedly, when Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Joby Warwick met Carlos the Jackal, it was at Poissy Central Prison just outside Paris, where the now 76-year-old prisoner number 11939 is serving multiple life sentences.

But tell the tale, Joby has in his cracking new book, The Jackal, The Rise and Fall of Carlos, the world's first super terrorist.

Joby Warwick, welcome to Sunday Extra.

It's a pleasure to be with you.

Now, let's talk names first up, Joby.

Why does Ilyich Ramirez Sanchez, a Venezuelan-born criminal, have a very Russian-sounding first name? And where did his notorious crime named Carlos the Jackal come from?

That's a very good question.