Sep 27, 2026 · 59 min · 13 segments
**What Is Worth Learning in the Age of AI? Bringing Values Back into Education, with Beth Zemble and Ariadna Trapote** As AI becomes increasingly capable of providing knowledge, solving problems, and…
Beth ZembleGuest
Ariadna TrapoteGuestJohnPanelist
Chris DedeHost
Curt BonkHostLydiaPanelist
I'm going to lead off and say something that may be misguided, but you can correct me if it is.

So I've always felt that an important part of reading was somehow drawing yourself into the literature so that it's not just a passive experience.

And although I'm not an expert in literacy, I worked with experts in literacy and they talked about what they called dialogic interaction.

So you are a parent, you're reading your child Goldilocks and the Three Bears, and you say Goldilocks was a little girl who lived on the edge of the forest.

And one day, even though she'd been told not to, she went into the forest and got lost.

With dialogic interaction, the parent stops and says, why do you think Goldilocks went into the forest? Did she like to be naughty? Or was she, you know, big into the green movement and wanted to experience ecology? Or did she have animal friends in the forest? And then the child has the chance to kind of interact with that.


There's a historical set of events that occurred, but instead of just reading through them, you're invited at a particular point in time to say, well, what would you have done if you had this information at this point in time, what would you have done? And we have medical cases and business cases and educational cases.

but also values cases, right? People who teach ethics and morality often give their students case studies and ask, what would you have done? So I can see how this really ties into reading, as you say, beyond the minimum, which is just understanding that the symbols mean words and the words somehow relate to you.

But becoming part of the part of the situational awareness of what the story's about.


What does it mean to be respectful, to be grateful, and the difference between, for example, saying thank you being thankful and living in gratitude.

Also, other values like integrity or honor, we should have a common definition.

And after we teach kids about the definitions of values, then we help them to practice practice them through stories, through real situations, through choices, through decisions, and then reflection.

So to your point, Chris, about having those kinds of dialogic interactions, our work and what Ari is sharing is that we're working from a story-based program.

I'm going to lead off and say something that may be misguided, but you can correct me if it is.

So I've always felt that an important part of reading was somehow drawing yourself into the literature so that it's not just a passive experience.

And although I'm not an expert in literacy, I worked with experts in literacy and they talked about what they called dialogic interaction.

So you are a parent, you're reading your child Goldilocks and the Three Bears, and you say Goldilocks was a little girl who lived on the edge of the forest.

And one day, even though she'd been told not to, she went into the forest and got lost.

With dialogic interaction, the parent stops and says, why do you think Goldilocks went into the forest? Did she like to be naughty? Or was she, you know, big into the green movement and wanted to experience ecology? Or did she have animal friends in the forest? And then the child has the chance to kind of interact with that.


There's a historical set of events that occurred, but instead of just reading through them, you're invited at a particular point in time to say, well, what would you have done if you had this information at this point in time, what would you have done? And we have medical cases and business cases and educational cases.

but also values cases, right? People who teach ethics and morality often give their students case studies and ask, what would you have done? So I can see how this really ties into reading, as you say, beyond the minimum, which is just understanding that the symbols mean words and the words somehow relate to you.

But becoming part of the part of the situational awareness of what the story's about.


What does it mean to be respectful, to be grateful, and the difference between, for example, saying thank you being thankful and living in gratitude.

Also, other values like integrity or honor, we should have a common definition.

And after we teach kids about the definitions of values, then we help them to practice practice them through stories, through real situations, through choices, through decisions, and then reflection.

So to your point, Chris, about having those kinds of dialogic interactions, our work and what Ari is sharing is that we're working from a story-based program.
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