Jun 4, 2026 · 32 min · 15 segments
Jon Bassford is a best-selling author, TEDx speaker, and founder of Lateral Solutions, an operations consulting and advisory firm. With a background spanning law, philosophy, and executive…
John BassfordGuestSteve PalmerHost
Yeah, I mean, as I really started diving into curiosity and, you know, as I talked about yesterday, like it wasn't...
I've always been curious, but I didn't, I didn't, didn't s- didn't have the name behind it, right?
But as I started, when curiosity was brought up to me as being my superpower, I s- really started diving in and, and really thinking about how I brought changes to organizations I worked for, and there was always a component of the leadership aspect, the operations aspect, and the culture.
And the more I'd done consulting, for any organization to create sustainable growth, you have to have, you have to work on all three of those.
I mean, y- b- both you and I, I think yesterday when we were talking in, in our various sessions, were constantly, we might have been talking about how to, to build better operations, but then mindset would fall in.
It's impossible to talk about innovation, growth, and change without overlapping those three concepts.
You know? I, I think human nature is from a, however you wanna look at it, a psychology, evolutionary standpoint, whatever it is, we, we are, we are programmed to stay safe.
And, and going beyond what we're comfortable with, going beyond what we've always done, going beyond, you know, just our current situations and limitations generates fear.
I, you know, I hate influencers out there that, that are constantly bashing people for not being millionaires and billionaires and, and not taking the entrepreneurial route.
Yeah, I mean, as I really started diving into curiosity and, you know, as I talked about yesterday, like it wasn't...
I've always been curious, but I didn't, I didn't, didn't s- didn't have the name behind it, right?
But as I started, when curiosity was brought up to me as being my superpower, I s- really started diving in and, and really thinking about how I brought changes to organizations I worked for, and there was always a component of the leadership aspect, the operations aspect, and the culture.
And the more I'd done consulting, for any organization to create sustainable growth, you have to have, you have to work on all three of those.
I mean, y- b- both you and I, I think yesterday when we were talking in, in our various sessions, were constantly, we might have been talking about how to, to build better operations, but then mindset would fall in.
It's impossible to talk about innovation, growth, and change without overlapping those three concepts.
You know? I, I think human nature is from a, however you wanna look at it, a psychology, evolutionary standpoint, whatever it is, we, we are, we are programmed to stay safe.
And, and going beyond what we're comfortable with, going beyond what we've always done, going beyond, you know, just our current situations and limitations generates fear.
I, you know, I hate influencers out there that, that are constantly bashing people for not being millionaires and billionaires and, and not taking the entrepreneurial route.
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