Jun 16, 2026 · 31 min · 9 segments
In episode 232, we discover The Truth About Connection, chapter 3 in Jefferson Fisher’s outstanding book, The Next Conversation. This was a powerful point: “You’re living in a world of…
Sheila BarnesHost
Kate MatthewsHost
And we are taught in our country, you know, especially, you know, win, win, win, win, you know, get the highest star score, do this, do this, all about winning.
We've had a lot of presidents that were and politicians are lawyers and they just want to win.
And really that just says that we're living out of a false identity for one thing.
If you're trying to prove something, that means you're believing a lie about something.
And so really his approach is very grounded because if you're at a, to be humble and to learn and to approach things with that attitude, the attitude of humility is that shows that You're on the right
And we are taught in our country, you know, especially, you know, win, win, win, win, you know, get the highest star score, do this, do this, all about winning.
We've had a lot of presidents that were and politicians are lawyers and they just want to win.
And really that just says that we're living out of a false identity for one thing.
If you're trying to prove something, that means you're believing a lie about something.
And so really his approach is very grounded because if you're at a, to be humble and to learn and to approach things with that attitude, the attitude of humility is that shows that You're on the right
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