Sep 24, 2026 · 19 min · 9 segments
A controversial cake. A viral photo. A campus debate over free speech and accountability. On this episode of the PoliticIt Podcast, Utah Sen. John Johnson welcomes Rylie Barnes, vice president of the…
Riley BeesleyGuestJohn JohnsonHost
Rylie BarnesGuestSo, you know, it's kind of interesting because, you know, last year and a couple of years ago, we actually had bills on institutional neutrality.

Well, John, that's actually really interesting because when you think about what a university is supposed to be, it's a place of learning.


But in this case, we haven't heard of anything being done towards, one, the student who came to us who baked a cake celebrating murder.

We haven't heard anything, maybe potentially her facing any consequences for that.

And, you know, I don't know if I have a strong opinion whether she should or shouldn't.

But it's really weird when you're having the institution single out two specific students, both of one party, one political affiliation, and both who did nothing of what they alleged.

uh for putting on retainer these these lawyers these attorneys they did an amazing job and we couldn't have done this without your support and also the support of all the the individuals online

It's really something that you could only imagine maybe like in a story, right? It's insane to think that you can make a social media post that can go so large.

And it's even crazier to think that you can have a university going against you in a case like this.

And then you can have someone as great as Erica Kirk see this and then be willing to support us with attorneys to make sure that the right thing happens.
So, you know, it's kind of interesting because, you know, last year and a couple of years ago, we actually had bills on institutional neutrality.

Well, John, that's actually really interesting because when you think about what a university is supposed to be, it's a place of learning.


But in this case, we haven't heard of anything being done towards, one, the student who came to us who baked a cake celebrating murder.

We haven't heard anything, maybe potentially her facing any consequences for that.

And, you know, I don't know if I have a strong opinion whether she should or shouldn't.

But it's really weird when you're having the institution single out two specific students, both of one party, one political affiliation, and both who did nothing of what they alleged.

uh for putting on retainer these these lawyers these attorneys they did an amazing job and we couldn't have done this without your support and also the support of all the the individuals online

It's really something that you could only imagine maybe like in a story, right? It's insane to think that you can make a social media post that can go so large.

And it's even crazier to think that you can have a university going against you in a case like this.

And then you can have someone as great as Erica Kirk see this and then be willing to support us with attorneys to make sure that the right thing happens.
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