Plants of the Gods: Hallucinogens, Healing, Culture and Conservation podcast
Mar 23, 2026 · 28 min · 8 segments
How can psylocibin be used to help patients work through traumas that once seemed untreatable? Dr. Pamela Kryskow, a self-described "fungi person" and a scientist, is helping to answer this question…
Pamela KryskowGuest
Mark PlotkinHost
And I want to take it back even to something earlier is that it takes, there's a certain, not in all, but in a lot of us that drive to get into these professions.

Is that there is this element quite often in people that strive to accomplish of not feeling fundamentally good enough.

If I just get into med school, then I will show how good I am or how important I am or, you know, striving for parental love.

you know, striving to be a protector, especially for children that have been in unstable homes as a child.

So much of that white knight syndrome that comes from people that go into the policing service or the fire services I couldn't do it when I was a kid, but I'm going to do it as an adult.

And so a lot of us, you know, and it's ironic, like, here am I doing two of these things, fire service and then medicine, you know, and I didn't have a traumatic childhood.

But I do see it in so many people that we work with, is that when you get down to, their developmental childhood in their early teens, there is trauma in there and they are striving and they accomplish.

So that lack, that basic internal lacking or a sense of lacking drives them to accomplish and they do great things.

And so they get on the fire service when, you know, the fire, The applications and acceptance is, you know, for every about 1,200 applications to the fire service, one person gets a job.

But then once you get that position, once you do get the fire service position, or you do get the spot in medical school or nursing school, you know, there's got to be an opportunity to heal that trauma.

So we already, are we already coming into these jobs carrying a bucket or a basket of trauma? And then we go into these fields that then layer on even more trauma.

Like we, we, need these rituals in our society right now to help clean out this trauma so that we're thriving and and we and we got to do and we're not doing it and it's it's the same message mark as the fire service and medicine suck it up get on with it do another 36 hour shift

Yeah, well, I want to quote somebody I've never quoted or slightly misquoted in the entire history of Plants of the Gods, and that's Mr. Rogers.

And I want to take it back even to something earlier is that it takes, there's a certain, not in all, but in a lot of us that drive to get into these professions.

Is that there is this element quite often in people that strive to accomplish of not feeling fundamentally good enough.

If I just get into med school, then I will show how good I am or how important I am or, you know, striving for parental love.

you know, striving to be a protector, especially for children that have been in unstable homes as a child.

So much of that white knight syndrome that comes from people that go into the policing service or the fire services I couldn't do it when I was a kid, but I'm going to do it as an adult.

And so a lot of us, you know, and it's ironic, like, here am I doing two of these things, fire service and then medicine, you know, and I didn't have a traumatic childhood.

But I do see it in so many people that we work with, is that when you get down to, their developmental childhood in their early teens, there is trauma in there and they are striving and they accomplish.

So that lack, that basic internal lacking or a sense of lacking drives them to accomplish and they do great things.

And so they get on the fire service when, you know, the fire, The applications and acceptance is, you know, for every about 1,200 applications to the fire service, one person gets a job.

But then once you get that position, once you do get the fire service position, or you do get the spot in medical school or nursing school, you know, there's got to be an opportunity to heal that trauma.

So we already, are we already coming into these jobs carrying a bucket or a basket of trauma? And then we go into these fields that then layer on even more trauma.

Like we, we, need these rituals in our society right now to help clean out this trauma so that we're thriving and and we and we got to do and we're not doing it and it's it's the same message mark as the fire service and medicine suck it up get on with it do another 36 hour shift

Yeah, well, I want to quote somebody I've never quoted or slightly misquoted in the entire history of Plants of the Gods, and that's Mr. Rogers.
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