Jun 9, 2026 · 48 min · 9 segments
Joel Junker was always told that leaders get results, and that leaders are measured based on the results that they get. But, after decades of building an identity around results — Army officer, Notre…
Joel JunkerGuestMichael CareyHostSo the whole point of the Pentamental podcast is really to share something that's happened to you in your life that that event ha- altered the way you look at the world, look at yourself, look at, uh, everything around you.
And those that know me are like, "Of course, he has two." So the first one from a real strong leadership standpoint, I, and this is why I opened the way that it was, is that I was always taught that leaders get results, and leaders are measured based on the results that they get.
The challenge is, is that there's something that gets lost when that becomes the lens to look at of what I'm pursuing.
For me personally, I'm gonna t- instead of talking about watching other people, I'm gonna talk about my journey.
My identity is built around, was, was built around people are coming to me with the problems.
Even this is a good example when I had two great at organization, Cameron Brooks, just two really good what we call transition coaches, key leaders in our company.
So the whole point of the Pentamental podcast is really to share something that's happened to you in your life that that event ha- altered the way you look at the world, look at yourself, look at, uh, everything around you.
And those that know me are like, "Of course, he has two." So the first one from a real strong leadership standpoint, I, and this is why I opened the way that it was, is that I was always taught that leaders get results, and leaders are measured based on the results that they get.
The challenge is, is that there's something that gets lost when that becomes the lens to look at of what I'm pursuing.
For me personally, I'm gonna t- instead of talking about watching other people, I'm gonna talk about my journey.
My identity is built around, was, was built around people are coming to me with the problems.
Even this is a good example when I had two great at organization, Cameron Brooks, just two really good what we call transition coaches, key leaders in our company.
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