179. Unemployment (Extended)

So yeah, Ellie, I wanna talk a little bit more about unemployment, maybe from a meta perspective in light of the fact that we began this episode by talking about how we are ending Overthink.

And the reason that I wanna make that connection is not because I think our position ending Overthink is similar to the position of somebody unemployed, but actually because I think the differences underscore the psychological impact of unemployment precisely by not being equal.

So what I have in mind is the following.

You and I have been working in this, on this project for five, going on six years.

We have built a kind of identity around it, um, that is an extension of our professional identity.

We have gotten our friendship tangled up in it.

Um, a- and also just, like, our sense of who we are, I think has been altered a little bit through the discussions that we've had.

Totally.

Yeah.

And so now that-

And by friendship tangled up, you d- you mean that ...

I'm, I'm guessing you mean that, like, in a not bad way.

In a neutral, yeah

Right?

Yeah, no, yeah.

Yeah.

[laughs]

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Uh, 'cause I feel like that might suggest ...

I just wanna be really-

Yeah

... like mindful as we're transitioning out that nobody's like, "Oh, Ellie and David had a secret falling out that they're not telling anybody about, and that's why you ended Overthink," 'cause that's definitely not the case.

I know.

What if the, what if the bonus was just, like, us hashing out this secret, uh, drama? [laughs] And that was Isaiah.