Oct 27, 2026 · 52 min · 15 segments
#### **Episode 222: Vivalina Grows a Gourd! From Garden to Classroom with Graham Ottoson & Ann Kumpf** What if one tiny seed could inspire a world of creativity, curiosity, and outdoor learning? In…
Victoria HackettHost
So we might have some listeners that are thinking, well, what is a gourd? And so let's really start with the basics.

What exactly is a gourd and what makes it different from pumpkins or squash and what we might already be familiar with?
I say, which family are they? You know, are they more closely related to the peas, the tomatoes or the zucchini? And people sometimes don't know.
And they kind of veered off from all of the other members of the squash family quite a long time ago, like 60,000 years or something.
They're the only member of the squash family that gets that really hard, woody shell when it's dry.
And also botanically, one other interesting feature is that they're the only members of the squash family that have white flowers instead of the yellow ones that all the others have.
And so if you're ever wondering, is this a hard shell gourd? That's a big clue.
You know, if something's growing out of your compost pile and you're wondering, what is this thing? It's a gourd if it has a white flower, a hard shell gourd.
And I want to distinguish it from the ornamental gourds, the ones sometimes people think of, like, you know, around Thanksgiving and Halloween, the little yellow and green ones.
They will dry and, you know, but they won't have a, they'll have a very thin shell.

So we might have some listeners that are thinking, well, what is a gourd? And so let's really start with the basics.

What exactly is a gourd and what makes it different from pumpkins or squash and what we might already be familiar with?
I say, which family are they? You know, are they more closely related to the peas, the tomatoes or the zucchini? And people sometimes don't know.
And they kind of veered off from all of the other members of the squash family quite a long time ago, like 60,000 years or something.
They're the only member of the squash family that gets that really hard, woody shell when it's dry.
And also botanically, one other interesting feature is that they're the only members of the squash family that have white flowers instead of the yellow ones that all the others have.
And so if you're ever wondering, is this a hard shell gourd? That's a big clue.
You know, if something's growing out of your compost pile and you're wondering, what is this thing? It's a gourd if it has a white flower, a hard shell gourd.
And I want to distinguish it from the ornamental gourds, the ones sometimes people think of, like, you know, around Thanksgiving and Halloween, the little yellow and green ones.
They will dry and, you know, but they won't have a, they'll have a very thin shell.
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