Sep 9, 2026 · 1 hr 10 min · 24 segments
Winner of the MAAH Stone Book Award Winner of the 2025 Avern Cohn Award A New York Times Notable Book of 2025, A New Yorker Best Book of 2025 selection A Christian Science Monitor 25 Best Books of…
Michelle AdamsGuestTom DeSenaHost
I mean, to a large extent, it was about me going back and really having a conversation with both my parents who have passed at this point, but also trying to figure out how I got to be the person that I am and understand Detroit and understand my role in the world.

And I think that when you reach a certain age, you start asking these kinds of questions.

And it turned out that I was in a perfect place at a perfect time to be able to investigate that.

And so it was an opportunity to be in conversation with my parents and to be in conversation with their world.

And what brought me to it was that desire, but also being a constitutional law professor.

I also had always had a huge number of questions and things that I was teaching.

And it turned out that there was this case called Milliken versus Bradley that I had taught for many years and I had many questions about.

And so the combination of getting to a certain age and wanting to understand my parents' generation, wanting to know more about this case, wanting to be able to deepen the kind of conversation I was having with my students in class about Millikan versus Bradley brought me to asking a series of questions and that asking that series of questions and led me down a road that began a 12 year process to write this book.
And one of the reasons, and you said this is sort of a personal journey for you, you say in the book that you grew up on the west side of Detroit.
And one of the things that was so exciting about this book, you know, I was a kid through most of the events that you are describing here.
And I described it to some colleagues this afternoon as being like on one of those old televisions where you have to tune a little bit and the fuzz and the picture starts to come in clearer.
And that's what this belt, that's a lot of what this book felt like for me, that there were these things that were sort of lurking around in my childhood that suddenly started to materialize and crystallize and you could sort of see things that were only just really fuzzy for a long while.

I mean, to a large extent, it was about me going back and really having a conversation with both my parents who have passed at this point, but also trying to figure out how I got to be the person that I am and understand Detroit and understand my role in the world.

And I think that when you reach a certain age, you start asking these kinds of questions.

And it turned out that I was in a perfect place at a perfect time to be able to investigate that.

And so it was an opportunity to be in conversation with my parents and to be in conversation with their world.

And what brought me to it was that desire, but also being a constitutional law professor.

I also had always had a huge number of questions and things that I was teaching.

And it turned out that there was this case called Milliken versus Bradley that I had taught for many years and I had many questions about.

And so the combination of getting to a certain age and wanting to understand my parents' generation, wanting to know more about this case, wanting to be able to deepen the kind of conversation I was having with my students in class about Millikan versus Bradley brought me to asking a series of questions and that asking that series of questions and led me down a road that began a 12 year process to write this book.
And one of the reasons, and you said this is sort of a personal journey for you, you say in the book that you grew up on the west side of Detroit.
And one of the things that was so exciting about this book, you know, I was a kid through most of the events that you are describing here.
And I described it to some colleagues this afternoon as being like on one of those old televisions where you have to tune a little bit and the fuzz and the picture starts to come in clearer.
And that's what this belt, that's a lot of what this book felt like for me, that there were these things that were sort of lurking around in my childhood that suddenly started to materialize and crystallize and you could sort of see things that were only just really fuzzy for a long while.
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