I've been thinking about this ambition thing for like a little bit because I think an experience a lot of people are having with AI is that we frequently talk about sort of the difference between automation and augmentation, right? This idea that obviously AI can maybe reduce some of the toil and take away work that you don't want to do and like automate the things that you would have done anyway.
But I think to many people, certainly me, the part that is more exciting are the things that I couldn't do myself.
And not just because I didn't have the time, but maybe straight up because I like knowledge, experience, creativity, what have you.
And I think especially as you're an ex, this happens all the time to me that someone comes to me and is like, I did a thing with Claude.
And it's usually more impressive to me that the person, like the pilot, the person that actually drove Claude, that they came up with the idea in the first place.
It's usually less exciting to me that Claude can even do those things in the first place.
There's this, I think he's actually a product manager, his name is Pavel, who may or may not have found a planet last week by...
Yes, yeah.
Right? Saw that, yeah.
And I think if you zoom out a little bit, like if I told you, oh, Claude can now go over large amounts of data and find things for you, it's not that exciting to you on the surface of it.
But the ambition of like actually doing that at that level is like pretty exciting to me.
Yeah, definitely.
So I think that from your end, because a lot of this is these like users are bringing these truly novel sort of problems or creative tasks or whatever that they bring into Claude.
How do you guys from like internally think about like what are the trends of like things that people are vibe coding What is the logical next step to augment the product? What are just novel ways that you can sort of follow the thread of what the users are doing, amplify the actual curiosity and the very high level of abstraction goal setting?
Yeah, it's super hard and product, right? The thing that I often think about, it would be pretty easy for me to take every single amazing use case and just make a button for it, right? Right.
You open up Cloud and you're like, do you want to find a planet today? The exact planet button.
I think that would be pretty easy to build, but because the option space is so wide, I do think as an industry, we do have a decent amount of problems with we give people this genie in a bottle, like, oh, if you just know the right spells and if you know the right things to ask, this thing is going to do amazing things for you.
And there is, I think, a pretty large subset of the population overall that is like, oh, I guess I'm going to ask it, what's the capital of France? Yeah.
I've been thinking about this ambition thing for like a little bit because I think an experience a lot of people are having with AI is that we frequently talk about sort of the difference between automation and augmentation, right? This idea that obviously AI can maybe reduce some of the toil and take away work that you don't want to do and like automate the things that you would have done anyway.
But I think to many people, certainly me, the part that is more exciting are the things that I couldn't do myself.
And not just because I didn't have the time, but maybe straight up because I like knowledge, experience, creativity, what have you.
And I think especially as you're an ex, this happens all the time to me that someone comes to me and is like, I did a thing with Claude.
And it's usually more impressive to me that the person, like the pilot, the person that actually drove Claude, that they came up with the idea in the first place.
It's usually less exciting to me that Claude can even do those things in the first place.
There's this, I think he's actually a product manager, his name is Pavel, who may or may not have found a planet last week by...
Yes, yeah.
Right? Saw that, yeah.
And I think if you zoom out a little bit, like if I told you, oh, Claude can now go over large amounts of data and find things for you, it's not that exciting to you on the surface of it.
But the ambition of like actually doing that at that level is like pretty exciting to me.
Yeah, definitely.
So I think that from your end, because a lot of this is these like users are bringing these truly novel sort of problems or creative tasks or whatever that they bring into Claude.
How do you guys from like internally think about like what are the trends of like things that people are vibe coding What is the logical next step to augment the product? What are just novel ways that you can sort of follow the thread of what the users are doing, amplify the actual curiosity and the very high level of abstraction goal setting?
Yeah, it's super hard and product, right? The thing that I often think about, it would be pretty easy for me to take every single amazing use case and just make a button for it, right? Right.
You open up Cloud and you're like, do you want to find a planet today? The exact planet button.
I think that would be pretty easy to build, but because the option space is so wide, I do think as an industry, we do have a decent amount of problems with we give people this genie in a bottle, like, oh, if you just know the right spells and if you know the right things to ask, this thing is going to do amazing things for you.
And there is, I think, a pretty large subset of the population overall that is like, oh, I guess I'm going to ask it, what's the capital of France? Yeah.
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