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Morally Corrupt

‘RHOC’ Season 20 Premiere: Vicki Is Back! Plus, Janet Gets Vulnerable in 'The Valley' and Connecticut Chaos on 'In the City.'

Jul 10, 2026 · 1 hr 40 min · 11 segments

Rachel and Callie start their recaps of the highly anticipated ‘RHOC’ Season 20 premiere, where Vicki Gunvalson has returned to the OC with a tearful call to OG Jeana Keough. Then they jump into ‘The Valley,’ where Janet makes a brave confession during Danny's Mexico birthday while Jesse warns Kristen about Luke’s wedding hesitations. They go to ‘In the City’ as the cast takes a trip to Connecticut, where Kyle admits to taking four times the recommended Metamucil dose. They end the show with a new segment: The Comment Section. 00:00 - Welcome! 00:45 - ‘RHOC’ recap 27:24 - ‘The Valley’ recap 56:47 - ‘In the City’ recap 1:29:55 - The Comment Section 1:37:29 - Thanks for watching! Host: Rachel Lindsay Guest: Callie Curry Producers: Ashleigh Smith and Richard Tinoco Theme Song: Devon Renaldo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices](https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices)

Speakers: Rachel LindsayHostCallie CurryHost

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Top entities: Tamra Judge×32 Heather Dubrow×38 Rachel Lindsay×10 Shannon Beador×17 The Real Housewives of Orange County×8

Opening Banter & Show Rundown0:00 – 0:44

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Callie CurryHost0:00

[upbeat music] All right, at least I don't do crystal meth in the bathroom all night long.

Rachel LindsayHost0:10

That's my opinion!

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Callie CurryHost0:11

He will never emotionally fulfill you.

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Callie CurryHost0:14

'Cause I don't wanna be a part of this.

Rachel LindsayHost0:15

Go to sleep! Go to sleep.

Rachel LindsayHost0:16

Close your legs to married men, trash fox.

Rachel LindsayHost0:20

I'll tell you how I'm doing.

Rachel LindsayHost0:21

Not well, bitch.

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Callie CurryHost0:22

Who gonna check me, boo? [upbeat music]

Rachel LindsayHost0:26

Welcome to Morally Corrupt.

Rachel LindsayHost0:28

I am Rachel Lindsay.

Rachel LindsayHost0:29

She is Callie Curry.

Rachel LindsayHost0:30

We've got a lot to cover.

Rachel LindsayHost0:31

We've got the premiere of O.C. We've got The Valley and In The City, and a new segment we're gonna call The Comment Section, 'cause our comment section has been popping.

RHOC Premiere – 20-Year Nostalgia0:45 – 6:38

Rachel LindsayHost0:45

All right, let's start with O.C. O.C. is back, 20 years.

Rachel LindsayHost0:51

As Callie said off mic, they are leaning [laughs] heavily into the 20 years.

Rachel LindsayHost0:56

I enjoyed it.

Rachel LindsayHost0:58

Now, I feel like I was distracted during this episode, so you'll have to help me with this, but when they were playing it, did they only play the recap of the ladies we currently have or did they give us the other ones, too? I don't know why I felt like I wasn't seeing the, some of the older...

Rachel LindsayHost1:16

Some of the most memorable scenes weren't there.

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Callie CurryHost1:18

I mean, it was a very, very, very quick recap, but I thought they were leaning into it by having Shannon go visit Vicki, and then they went to the bar, and they showed, like, a little bit of the Tres Amigas trips.

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Callie CurryHost1:31

Like, it was...

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Callie CurryHost1:32

I, I, it felt like they were going back and showing the Alamo.

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Callie CurryHost1:35

Like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:36

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:36

I don't, I don't need-

Rachel LindsayHost1:38

I'm gonna-

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Callie CurryHost1:38

I don't need this history lesson.

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Callie CurryHost1:40

They stood on a bar and danced.

Rachel LindsayHost1:42

I, l- we have, I have missed Vicki Gunvalson.

Rachel LindsayHost1:46

So for me-

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Callie CurryHost1:47

Missed?

Rachel LindsayHost1:47

... a trip down-

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Callie CurryHost1:48

I mean-

Rachel LindsayHost1:49

Yes.

Rachel LindsayHost1:50

First off, O.C. has not been fantastic, and to have Vicki back, and to see where she is-

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Callie CurryHost1:56

Wasn't it really good two year, two seasons ago? Like, not last season, but the season before, I thought it was really good.

Rachel LindsayHost2:03

People get onto me when I say this, but I have not enjoyed seasons with Katie, and that would be the last two.

Rachel LindsayHost2:09

So you'd have to at least go back three, and I don't recall that being great either.

Rachel LindsayHost2:13

We didn't have Tamra.

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Callie CurryHost2:14

There was one season we covered where we both liked it, 'cause I had stopped watching for a while, and then came back.

Rachel LindsayHost2:20

Maybe it was when Tamra first came back.

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Callie CurryHost2:22

Oh, you know what? It was Tamra's first season back.

Rachel LindsayHost2:23

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost2:23

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost2:23

It was Tamra's first season back.

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Callie CurryHost2:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost2:25

So that's, that would be the last two, we had Katie, so then the th- three.

Rachel LindsayHost2:29

That's too long.

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Callie CurryHost2:31

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost2:32

My point is, we gotta have Vicki or Tamra.

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Callie CurryHost2:33

I, I don't think that it wasn't good because of Vicki.

Rachel LindsayHost2:37

I have missed Vicki, and before Tamra came, it was bad again, and that's when we didn't have either one of them.

Rachel LindsayHost2:44

So i- anyways, I have missed Vicki.

Rachel LindsayHost2:48

People know I'm a fan of Vicki.

Rachel LindsayHost2:49

I just think that she brings something so different to the show that I...

Rachel LindsayHost2:58

And maybe I'm just b- I mean, I'm clearly biased, but even her and Shannon on the beach, catching up with Vicki, seeing the new man in her life, you know, finding out, seeing her brother.

Rachel LindsayHost3:10

So I feel like we know so much of her family.

Rachel LindsayHost3:12

Seeing where her son is, you know? Like, she's like, "He's gonna be like my brother." It's just, I don't know, there was just something about it, them falling down laughing, tripping on each other, just, like, simple...

Rachel LindsayHost3:24

Like, did you not laugh when she and Shannon fell on each other in the sand? I don't know.

Rachel LindsayHost3:29

They're just, they're, like, goofy.

Rachel LindsayHost3:32

They're-

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Callie CurryHost3:32

They're definitely goofy.

Rachel LindsayHost3:33

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost3:34

I don't know.

Rachel LindsayHost3:35

It's just something I love to see on-

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Callie CurryHost3:37

Also in this episode, Shannon got in a bounce house and was trying to bounce around.

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Callie CurryHost3:41

Um, I, I didn't even know what to make of that.

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Callie CurryHost3:45

Um, I was ki- no, I didn't laugh.

Rachel LindsayHost3:49

I laughed.

Rachel LindsayHost3:50

I was like, "Oh, I've missed this." I like to hear her up- just, I like where she's building and buying a house.

Rachel LindsayHost3:56

I like that her love tank is full.

Rachel LindsayHost3:59

I, like, even her-

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Callie CurryHost4:00

Well, yeah, her love tank is full

Rachel LindsayHost4:00

... saying she's gonna start working out, and she popped her knee, and now she's walking with this br- Like, like, I'm like, "Ah."

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Callie CurryHost4:06

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost4:07

Just, it's just like-

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Callie CurryHost4:07

Uh, okay, sure

Rachel LindsayHost4:08

... it's, like, the randomness

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Callie CurryHost4:09

Maybe I laughed a little at that.

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Callie CurryHost4:11

I was just kind of like, "Let's get into this season." Like, it felt like they wanted to do a whole 20-year memory lane thing and then start the season, which was the last, like, 10 minutes of the episode at Heather's party.

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Callie CurryHost4:26

That's when it felt like the season was starting.

Rachel LindsayHost4:28

Well, yes.

Rachel LindsayHost4:29

We know, we know.

Rachel LindsayHost4:31

I don't know why it feels like O.C. hasn't been on in forever, but we know a first episode is gonna give us the catch-up and see where everybody is.

Rachel LindsayHost4:41

And for some reason, I was like, "Who's on O.C. again?" I don't...

Rachel LindsayHost4:45

It's the, it's the same women pretty much except for Katie, but I don't know why.

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Callie CurryHost4:49

There's two new women, right? Or one new woman.

Rachel LindsayHost4:52

Well, there's a new, there's a new woman that comes at the end.

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Callie CurryHost4:54

Carme- well, there's Vicki and Carmella.

Rachel LindsayHost4:55

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost4:56

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost4:56

And, and Katie's gone, but I was like, "Where are these women in their lives, and what the hell happened last season?" Like, I totally forgot the last season ended where they picked the cameras back up to say that Tamra was the leak to the blog.

Rachel LindsayHost5:11

Like, I forgot, and I think I purposely put that out of our memory because all we...

Rachel LindsayHost5:17

Like, Kiki Monique was a, was holding an orange.

Rachel LindsayHost5:21

Like, the blogging became such a storyline that it was an insufferable season to me, and I don't like when we can't get down to the bottom of things.

Rachel LindsayHost5:31

It's like he's, she said she said.

Rachel LindsayHost5:34

Is Katie telling the truth? D- is Kiki Monique telling the truth? Is Tamra tell...

Rachel LindsayHost5:37

It was just a disaster.

Rachel LindsayHost5:39

So I really...

Rachel LindsayHost5:41

You know I'm good at compartmentalizing.

Rachel LindsayHost5:43

I really must have blocked that entire memory because when this, when I pressed play on this, I was like, "Where are we? Is Heather getting along with Tamra? Who is Tamra mad at?"

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Callie CurryHost5:54

Well, also there's been stuff that has happened since-

Rachel LindsayHost5:56

Yes

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Callie CurryHost5:56

... that also changed dynamics, because, like, they keep referring to the dinner that happened on the-

Rachel LindsayHost6:04

Ultimate girls trip

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Callie CurryHost6:05

tripYeah.

Rachel LindsayHost6:07

Which was a great promo, by the way.

Rachel LindsayHost6:09

That's a good promo-

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Callie CurryHost6:11

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost6:11

... for the trip.

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Callie CurryHost6:12

'Cause we don't really know what happened, but we know something went down-

Rachel LindsayHost6:14

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost6:14

... and that Tamra and, uh, and Shannon went at it.

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Callie CurryHost6:18

But, like, we never saw that.

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Callie CurryHost6:20

So I feel like dynamics have shifted, and we didn't even see the shift.

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Callie CurryHost6:23

So it was a little confusing-

Rachel LindsayHost6:24

Right

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Callie CurryHost6:24

...

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Callie CurryHost6:24

in the beginning to remember who's getting along with who and why people don't like Tamra.

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Callie CurryHost6:30

And usually the beginning of the season they address, like, where everyone's at, and it was kind of hard to follow because we're missing a big chunk of something that happened.

Vicki & Shannon Return; Tamra Tensions6:39 – 14:00

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Callie CurryHost6:39

But it seems like everyone is mostly good except for Tamra with everyone.

Rachel LindsayHost6:47

Who is Tamra mad at? Like, that's what I don't like is that I can't keep up.

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Callie CurryHost6:50

Tamra and Shannon are not doing well because of the dinner with Ultimate Girls Trip.

Rachel LindsayHost6:55

Okay.

Rachel LindsayHost6:55

That's right, that's right, that's right.

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Callie CurryHost6:57

Um, where Tamra told her that she doesn't have a man, she doesn't own a home, and there was a third thing.

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Callie CurryHost7:03

Three things.

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Callie CurryHost7:04

And then even, even Heather was like, some of the other housewives were like, "Oh, we don't go that deep." Which I was just like, "Really?"

Rachel LindsayHost7:11

Yeah, that was a weird moment.

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Callie CurryHost7:13

Like-

Rachel LindsayHost7:13

She was like-

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Callie CurryHost7:14

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost7:14

...

Rachel LindsayHost7:14

they felt uncomfortable.

Rachel LindsayHost7:16

I'm like, n- name them.

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Callie CurryHost7:18

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost7:18

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost7:18

Because if that made you uncomfortable, you don't need to be here.

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Callie CurryHost7:22

I was like, the-

Rachel LindsayHost7:22

And maybe she's referring to the ones who-

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Callie CurryHost7:24

... other franchises go way worse

Rachel LindsayHost7:25

... and maybe she's referring to-

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Callie CurryHost7:26

Way deeper

Rachel LindsayHost7:26

... housewives that are no longer a part of it, so they're-

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Callie CurryHost7:30

Oh, maybe.

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Callie CurryHost7:31

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost7:31

... you know? So they're probably like, "Well, well, I'm so far removed from this, I forget that this is, like, an actual thing." But it was so funny to hear her be like, "Well, the other ladies were not."

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Callie CurryHost7:42

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost7:42

I was like, who?

Rachel LindsayHost7:44

Uh, there's something off to me about Heather.

Rachel LindsayHost7:49

I don't...

Rachel LindsayHost7:50

I can't put my finger on it, and I don't dislike Heather.

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Callie CurryHost7:53

You say this every season.

Rachel LindsayHost7:54

I don't dislike her either.

Rachel LindsayHost7:56

I was happy when Heather came back.

Rachel LindsayHost7:59

But there is something [smacks lips] that just...

Rachel LindsayHost8:04

I don't know what it is.

Rachel LindsayHost8:05

And maybe Jen put, like kinda touched on it a little bit.

Rachel LindsayHost8:10

You say one thing to us, but then it's like she can't fully stand up to Tamra.

Rachel LindsayHost8:15

She can't fully tell Tamra how she feels.

Rachel LindsayHost8:18

Like she's...

Rachel LindsayHost8:19

I don't know if it's like a keep your enemies closer or she so desperately wants to be in the Tres Amigas, 'cause she's not.

Rachel LindsayHost8:27

She's Tres Amigas adjacent.

Rachel LindsayHost8:29

She- they're not, she's not quite in there.

Rachel LindsayHost8:31

You know? She's not quite...

Rachel LindsayHost8:33

That's, maybe that's what it is with Heather.

Rachel LindsayHost8:35

She's not quite there.

Rachel LindsayHost8:37

She's not quite funny.

Rachel LindsayHost8:39

She's not quite on the in crowd.

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Callie CurryHost8:41

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost8:41

She's not qui- You know what I mean? Like she, and she, and she wants to so badly.

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Callie CurryHost8:46

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost8:47

She clearly wants to be a housewife.

Rachel LindsayHost8:47

But then pretends like she doesn't want to be.

Rachel LindsayHost8:49

Like, pretends that she's above it.

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Callie CurryHost8:51

No, I think it's that she wants to be a housewife very badly.

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Callie CurryHost8:54

Like, she wants to be a Kyle Richard-esque housewife.

Rachel LindsayHost8:57

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost8:57

Like, she's been on the show a very long time, but doesn't get the respect of a housewife that has been on the show a very long time.

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Callie CurryHost9:06

And I think part of it is that she kind of plays up this, like, I'm better than you and, like, I don't really need this type of attitude while also really wanting it.

Rachel LindsayHost9:18

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost9:19

And we see it.

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Callie CurryHost9:20

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost9:20

It's like you're not playing it well enough where we're like, oh yeah, she's above it.

Rachel LindsayHost9:24

We're like, no, you really want, you really want this.

Rachel LindsayHost9:27

What'd you think about her mother? We've seen her before.

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Callie CurryHost9:31

Yeah, that-

Rachel LindsayHost9:31

That mother is tough.

Rachel LindsayHost9:32

That mother is tough.

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Callie CurryHost9:34

Tough.

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Callie CurryHost9:34

Honestly, it explains a little bit about Heather.

Rachel LindsayHost9:37

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost9:37

Uh, but I appreciate Heather, like, being able to look at her mom and being like, "That is not what I'm gonna value." And we can talk about Heather all we want, um, one thing that I will say, for as cold as Heather kind of comes off sometimes, she does seem...

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Callie CurryHost9:55

And, uh, for someone who seems to have a lot going on and a lot of help and whatever, she does seem very dialed in with her children.

Rachel LindsayHost10:01

Very much so.

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Callie CurryHost10:01

And seems to have very good re- very good relationships with her children, and is super supportive of her children.

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Callie CurryHost10:07

Um, so meeting her mom or, I guess, like, maybe I don't remember having this much face time with her mom.

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Callie CurryHost10:15

Um, but it reminded me-

Rachel LindsayHost10:18

I do

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Callie CurryHost10:18

... of...

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Callie CurryHost10:20

Whose mom is Muffy? Miffy? Muffy?

Rachel LindsayHost10:23

Is-

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Callie CurryHost10:23

Oh, is it Sutton's mom?

Rachel LindsayHost10:24

Muzzy.

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Callie CurryHost10:25

No, it's Braunwyn's mom.

Rachel LindsayHost10:25

It's Muzzy.

Rachel LindsayHost10:26

It's Muzzy.

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Callie CurryHost10:27

Muzzy.

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Callie CurryHost10:27

Muzzy.

Rachel LindsayHost10:27

It's Muzzy.

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Callie CurryHost10:27

Muzzy.

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Callie CurryHost10:28

And it is Braunwyn's mom.

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Callie CurryHost10:29

You're right.

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Callie CurryHost10:32

But Sutton's mom's another one.

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Callie CurryHost10:33

They got some tough mamas.

Rachel LindsayHost10:34

They got, they got some.

Rachel LindsayHost10:36

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost10:36

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost10:37

There are...

Rachel LindsayHost10:37

That's the Housewives show we need.

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Callie CurryHost10:40

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost10:40

Give us-

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Callie CurryHost10:42

The mamas

Rachel LindsayHost10:42

... what is, what is-

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Callie CurryHost10:44

Muzzy?

Rachel LindsayHost10:45

It's Muzzy.

Rachel LindsayHost10:46

It's Muzzy for sure.

Rachel LindsayHost10:47

But give us Muzzy, give us-

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Callie CurryHost10:50

What's Sutton's mom's name?

Rachel LindsayHost10:51

...

Rachel LindsayHost10:51

Deandra's, Deandra's mom.

Rachel LindsayHost10:53

Give us, um, what is our girl from New York's name?

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Callie CurryHost11:00

Who?

Rachel LindsayHost11:00

Who was the Southern socialite.

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Callie CurryHost11:03

What?

Rachel LindsayHost11:04

And she moved to New York.

Rachel LindsayHost11:05

Come o- Tinsley.

Rachel LindsayHost11:06

Tinsley's mom.

Rachel LindsayHost11:07

Give us Muzzy's-

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Callie CurryHost11:08

Oh.

Rachel LindsayHost11:09

Give us Muzzy.

Rachel LindsayHost11:10

Give us Deandra's mom.

Rachel LindsayHost11:12

Give us Tinsley's mom.

Rachel LindsayHost11:14

Give us-

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Callie CurryHost11:14

Sutton's mom

Rachel LindsayHost11:15

...

Rachel LindsayHost11:15

Heather's mom.

Rachel LindsayHost11:16

Give us Sutton's mom.

Rachel LindsayHost11:17

That is a fucking show.

Rachel LindsayHost11:20

You want entertainment?

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Callie CurryHost11:21

That is a show.

Rachel LindsayHost11:22

Give us those moms.

Rachel LindsayHost11:24

It would be so good.

Rachel LindsayHost11:27

So good.

Rachel LindsayHost11:27

You're right.

Rachel LindsayHost11:28

We some others on here.

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Callie CurryHost11:29

Tough mamas, including Heather's mama, who does not regret spending no time with her grandchildren and is happy that Adam Sandler came.

Rachel LindsayHost11:39

No.

Rachel LindsayHost11:40

That is gonna be my new saying for everything.

Rachel LindsayHost11:43

If I want to disengage from a conversation.

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Callie CurryHost11:46

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost11:46

If I don't wanna talk about anything, I'm gonna start saying, "Well, Adam Sandler."

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Callie CurryHost11:51

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost11:51

And then somebody will say, "Well, Adam Sandler what?" Well, he brought his camper.

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Callie CurryHost11:56

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost11:56

I was like-

Rachel LindsayHost11:56

To the Hampton

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Callie CurryHost11:57

... what is she talking about? [laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost12:00

Like, I laughed-

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Callie CurryHost12:00

And Heather was like, "Okay, mom"

Rachel LindsayHost12:01

...

Rachel LindsayHost12:01

but I was like, wait, is she okay? Is this...

Rachel LindsayHost12:03

Like, she's in her 80s.

Rachel LindsayHost12:04

Like, is, is she having a-

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Callie CurryHost12:05

I thought she was trying to say-

Rachel LindsayHost12:07

... is she sunning, having an episode? Like, I did not know.

Rachel LindsayHost12:09

I stopped laughing because I thought this could actually be a serious thing.

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Callie CurryHost12:12

I felt that about Vicki throughout the episode as, as well Um, she, V- Vicki has aged since we've last seen her, which by the way, not looks-wise.

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Callie CurryHost12:20

I think she looks the exact same actually.

Rachel LindsayHost12:22

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost12:22

But you can just tell that she's g- like, she's got a wrap around her leg.

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Callie CurryHost12:26

Her kneecap has exploded.

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Callie CurryHost12:28

She couldn't hear what Shannon was saying when she was like, "What did Shannon say?"

Rachel LindsayHost12:33

She's not looking.

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Callie CurryHost12:33

And, uh, Vicki responded, "Why does she like sushi?" And Shannon was like, "What?" [laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost12:39

Come on, Kelly.

Rachel LindsayHost12:40

This is funny.

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Callie CurryHost12:42

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost12:42

This is funny.

Rachel LindsayHost12:43

[laughs] This is where it's, like, the kookiness-

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Callie CurryHost12:46

Yes

Rachel LindsayHost12:46

... that makes Housewives so-

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Callie CurryHost12:48

Shannon and-

Rachel LindsayHost12:49

Vicki is kooky

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Callie CurryHost12:50

...

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Callie CurryHost12:50

Vicki have kookiness.

Rachel LindsayHost12:50

Shannon is kooky.

Rachel LindsayHost12:51

Yes.

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Callie CurryHost12:52

Yes.

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Callie CurryHost12:53

Agree.

Rachel LindsayHost12:53

They are Tweedledee and Tweedledum.

Rachel LindsayHost12:56

They are f- they are a ver- they are the white fricking frack.

Rachel LindsayHost12:59

Like, there is-

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Callie CurryHost13:01

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost13:01

...

Rachel LindsayHost13:01

the two of them together, like, Shannon by herself is annoying.

Rachel LindsayHost13:04

The screeching, the screaming, the, like, "I'm fine.

Rachel LindsayHost13:08

Look at me."

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Callie CurryHost13:09

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost13:09

You know, like, when she, when she [laughs] like on the sh-

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Callie CurryHost13:11

Wait.

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Callie CurryHost13:11

Y'all clip all of my impersonations.

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Callie CurryHost13:14

I need that impersonation to be clipped.

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Callie CurryHost13:18

Okay? I need Rachel's-

Rachel LindsayHost13:20

Did I not nail it, though?

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Callie CurryHost13:21

... impersonation to be clipped.

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Callie CurryHost13:22

Yes.

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Callie CurryHost13:23

Shannon kookiness by herself, um, does not hit the same as when she has a partner.

Rachel LindsayHost13:32

N- no, no, no.

Rachel LindsayHost13:33

A Vicki.

Rachel LindsayHost13:34

Because it, it's, it's-

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Callie CurryHost13:35

A Vicki

Rachel LindsayHost13:37

... it's, yeah, like, they, they just bring something out of each other that I enjoy watching.

Rachel LindsayHost13:43

It's like if, if Sonja and Luann can get a show, so could Vicki and Shannon.

Rachel LindsayHost13:49

And it could be at Andale's.

Rachel LindsayHost13:50

It could be them in Puerto Vallarta.

Rachel LindsayHost13:53

I just, I do, I just enjoy them.

Rachel LindsayHost13:56

They're so, there's, there's, they're so good together.

Rachel LindsayHost13:58

But I'll get off of it.

Rachel LindsayHost13:59

I know you guys are-

Heather’s Image, Tough Moms & New Housewife Carmella14:00 – 25:24

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Callie CurryHost14:00

Did you think it was a little-

Rachel LindsayHost14:01

... are sick of me talking about it

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Callie CurryHost14:03

... um, interesting when Vicki was like, "I saw you was at, you were at a massage parlor at 1:30 in the morning."

Rachel LindsayHost14:10

Wait, who? Wait.

Rachel LindsayHost14:11

Did I miss this part? Who was she talking to?

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Callie CurryHost14:13

Her new boyfriend.

Rachel LindsayHost14:14

Her b- oh.

Rachel LindsayHost14:16

[laughs] No.

Rachel LindsayHost14:19

But I need more.

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Callie CurryHost14:20

I was like, we're just gonna keep on moving past that.

Rachel LindsayHost14:25

You know what? Vicki might s- as Vicki said, I want a partner in life.

Rachel LindsayHost14:28

So maybe there's, maybe she just takes-

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Callie CurryHost14:30

She said-

Rachel LindsayHost14:30

...

Rachel LindsayHost14:30

some liberty-

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Callie CurryHost14:31

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost14:31

... there's some liberties in the relationship that she's like, you know what? Maybe they're open.

Rachel LindsayHost14:36

Maybe like-

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Callie CurryHost14:37

Mm

Rachel LindsayHost14:37

... i- i- go, go d- go get what you need.

Rachel LindsayHost14:40

Just come back here.

Rachel LindsayHost14:41

I, who knows? But did not catch that.

Rachel LindsayHost14:45

Will watch the entire episode again for missing that.

Rachel LindsayHost14:50

The entire thing.

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Callie CurryHost14:51

She didn't seem too bothered by it.

Rachel LindsayHost14:53

[laughs] I'm telling you, Vicki's a, Vicki seems at peace.

Rachel LindsayHost14:58

I feel like, 'cause you know what I also? I always felt sad for Vicki.

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Callie CurryHost15:01

Well, she said sepsis went to her brain.

Rachel LindsayHost15:03

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost15:04

That's crazy.

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Callie CurryHost15:06

Uh, I mean-

Rachel LindsayHost15:06

I, I'm glad she's okay

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Callie CurryHost15:07

... she's lucky she's alive.

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Callie CurryHost15:09

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost15:09

No, seriously.

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Callie CurryHost15:09

They must have caught it very early.

Rachel LindsayHost15:09

Didn't she say she had, like, a really low percentage, yeah, I, of, of, like, life expectancy because of that? Or in that s- at the time when that situation happened? Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost15:19

I, I'm, I'm, what I like about Vicki too in this moment is I always felt sorry for her because I felt like she, there was an insecurity, and I think a lot of it was brought on by the men she was with, AKA Brooks, of her looks, and people online were mean to her and calling her certain names.

Rachel LindsayHost15:39

And one of the house husbands did as well.

Rachel LindsayHost15:43

And so it just seems like she is very comfortable in her own skin, and is about doing what makes her happy.

Rachel LindsayHost15:51

And that might be her boyfriend going to 1:30 massages.

Rachel LindsayHost15:56

I vaguely remember her saying something about a happy ending.

Rachel LindsayHost15:59

I-

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Callie CurryHost15:59

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost15:59

She did

Rachel LindsayHost15:59

... like, that might be, you know, like, she's like, I'm, I'm trying to work out and do this a natural way.

Rachel LindsayHost16:05

Popped her knee.

Rachel LindsayHost16:06

All right.

Rachel LindsayHost16:06

Well, who cares? Here we are.

Rachel LindsayHost16:08

Like, I don't know.

Rachel LindsayHost16:08

There was, like, a piece about her that I enjoyed.

Rachel LindsayHost16:10

It's also episode one.

Rachel LindsayHost16:11

I know that is gonna go away real fast.

Rachel LindsayHost16:14

Real fast.

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Callie CurryHost16:15

Well, yeah, it does seem in the previews that it does go away.

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Callie CurryHost16:17

But I do think, in general, she's gonna be more calm than what we've seen in the past.

Rachel LindsayHost16:22

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost16:23

And she's pissed she got fired, so.

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Callie CurryHost16:26

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost16:26

And I love that she says, "I got fired." No pause.

Rachel LindsayHost16:29

No, I stepped away.

Rachel LindsayHost16:30

She's like, "No, I wanted to be here, and they, they pushed me out." [laughs]

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Callie CurryHost16:34

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost16:34

So I think that she's also gonna do what she needs to do to stay.

Rachel LindsayHost16:38

Um, what else happens?

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Callie CurryHost16:40

There's a little disagreement with her and Heather about, um, the inheritance.

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Callie CurryHost16:48

Heather screams at her.

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Callie CurryHost16:50

And Vicki, well, it was, Vicki was kind of like, "Who cares? I don't care.

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Callie CurryHost16:55

You get your money." And Heather was like, "How could we have inherited everything if both of our mothers are alive still? And if we were to inherit something, like, obviously one of them would have to be dead, 'cause everything would go to them right now." And Vicki was like, "Terry's brother." And again, Heather was like, "His mom is still alive, so if he had any money, it would go to his mom." And Vicki was like, "I don't care.

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Callie CurryHost17:21

I don't care." And then Heather just yells, like, she's screaming at her and was like, "We built everything that we have," and then kisses her on her cheek and, like, walks off and was like, "Fucking bitch." But she was, like, joking.

Rachel LindsayHost17:36

Oh.

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Callie CurryHost17:36

Like, it wasn't a mean fucking bitch.

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Callie CurryHost17:38

And then, I don't know how you can say that in a nice way, but-

Rachel LindsayHost17:41

Yeah, me neither

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Callie CurryHost17:41

...

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Callie CurryHost17:41

it didn't seem like it was a bad way.

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Callie CurryHost17:43

And then Tamra goes to Vicki, "Woo, she lit you up." And Vicki goes, "I lit her up." And Tamra was like, "Yeah." It was another funny moment 'cause Vicki was unaware of what just happened.

Rachel LindsayHost17:57

[laughs] I, but see, this is also a moment, going back to what we were saying about Heather.

Rachel LindsayHost18:04

Like, Vicki's like, "I don't care."

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Callie CurryHost18:06

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost18:06

And the thing is, Heather shouldn't either.

Rachel LindsayHost18:09

Like, at the end of the day, you s- you got it.

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Callie CurryHost18:11

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost18:11

It doesn't matter-

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Callie CurryHost18:13

How

Rachel LindsayHost18:13

How... how unless, you know, she's not saying he did something illegal.

Rachel LindsayHost18:18

She's just saying, like-

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Callie CurryHost18:19

Listen

Rachel LindsayHost18:20

...

Rachel LindsayHost18:20

Terry's successful, but part of the, the wealth-

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Callie CurryHost18:22

If I had to inherit-

Rachel LindsayHost18:24

... is coming from somewhere else

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Callie CurryHost18:25

... $100 million, I'd be fine with it.

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Callie CurryHost18:27

And if people wanna say-

Rachel LindsayHost18:28

I have to look up to see who's-

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Callie CurryHost18:29

If I've worked really, really hard, and then I inherited $100 million and the only reason why I have money is because I inherited $100 million, as long as I get the $100 million, that's fine with me.

Rachel LindsayHost18:40

Yeah, like you didn't do anything crazy to get it.

Rachel LindsayHost18:43

It's sad how you got it.

Rachel LindsayHost18:44

I'm looking at who his brother is.

Rachel LindsayHost18:45

His brother's a rock star.

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Callie CurryHost18:47

Oh, really?

Rachel LindsayHost18:48

I never knew this.

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Callie CurryHost18:49

Who was his brother?

Rachel LindsayHost18:49

His brother was in a band called Quiet Riot, um, for 12 years, and then they picked it up again in 1993.

Rachel LindsayHost19:00

But Quiet Riot, uh, yeah, like this goes...

Rachel LindsayHost19:03

It l- all that to say, it leads to the whole, he, uh, Heather cares in ways-

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Callie CurryHost19:11

What people think.

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Callie CurryHost19:12

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost19:12

... yes.

Rachel LindsayHost19:13

And it's like, be cool.

Rachel LindsayHost19:17

You know? Like, don't be unc- uncool.

Rachel LindsayHost19:19

Is that what Luann said?

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Callie CurryHost19:21

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost19:21

[laughs] Be cool.

Rachel LindsayHost19:22

Like, just-

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Callie CurryHost19:22

She also clearly wants, um, she wanted a moment at her party.

Rachel LindsayHost19:27

She wanted a moment at her party.

Rachel LindsayHost19:29

And I'm not...

Rachel LindsayHost19:32

I can't remember the full history of this, but she and Vicki are not clo- that close.

Rachel LindsayHost19:40

Are they?

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Callie CurryHost19:44

Not that I remember.

Rachel LindsayHost19:46

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost19:46

So I wonder-

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Callie CurryHost19:47

I mean, close enough

Rachel LindsayHost19:47

...

Rachel LindsayHost19:47

if there's, like, a desire to be...

Rachel LindsayHost19:49

Well, I mean, well, not right now.

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Callie CurryHost19:51

No, not really.

Rachel LindsayHost19:52

I, like, give us that memory lane.

Rachel LindsayHost19:53

That's the memory lane we should've gotten.

Rachel LindsayHost19:55

Where do, like, where do these, where do these relationships...

Rachel LindsayHost19:59

What's the history of these relationships? Because both of them have come and gone, so I'm sorry.

Rachel LindsayHost20:04

It's like I've-

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Callie CurryHost20:05

Like, how much did they overlap? Yeah, I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost20:07

They also, she made, like, a joke on, in her speech at her party where she was like, "Historical friendships." Um, there seems to be a lot of historical friendships on this show.

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Callie CurryHost20:17

Like, whether, whether Heather wants to admit it or not, she did say, "I have so much history with Tamara, so I let her get away with more things."

Rachel LindsayHost20:29

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost20:30

And Tamara and Vicki have both said that about each other as well.

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Callie CurryHost20:33

Um, and it is interesting.

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Callie CurryHost20:35

Like, I feel like if you've been friends for long enough, you're gonna go through some shit, especially if you're on a Housewives show.

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Callie CurryHost20:42

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost20:42

Mm-hmm

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Callie CurryHost20:42

...

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Callie CurryHost20:44

so maybe these people give each other a little bit more leniency.

Rachel LindsayHost20:47

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost20:48

I would think that too.

Rachel LindsayHost20:50

Like, I, I, like, you know your older friends, you know who they are, and you're like, "Ugh, that's just so-and-so."

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Callie CurryHost20:56

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost20:56

You know what I mean? And you just kinda, you've kinda like learned to accept that friend and meet them where they are, because to you, the friendship is, is bigger than, like, I don't know, something they may do that's annoying, or they, or whatever.

Rachel LindsayHost21:10

Um, what do you think about the new, the new housewife?

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Callie CurryHost21:13

We didn't get a lot of her.

Rachel LindsayHost21:14

Jen's friend.

Rachel LindsayHost21:14

I'm glad it's Jen's friend.

Rachel LindsayHost21:15

We need Jen to have a friend.

Rachel LindsayHost21:16

I actually like that it's her friend.

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Callie CurryHost21:18

I don't know how close they actually are, but, um, they, because it seemed like Jen did some, like, she was like, "She also was a Playmate, and I didn't even know that." And then she was, like, asking her questions about being a Playmate, um, in the car ride over to Heather's, um, party.

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Callie CurryHost21:37

Uh, Carmella, this is what we know so far.

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Callie CurryHost21:40

It's not a lot.

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Callie CurryHost21:42

Carmella, she's a realtor, and she used to be a Playmate, and she did not live at the mansion.

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Callie CurryHost21:48

She lived, she lived across the street from the mansion in a bunny house, or the, yeah, that's what you call it, a bunny cottage, something like that.

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Callie CurryHost21:56

And-

Rachel LindsayHost21:57

Mm-hmm

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Callie CurryHost21:57

... which I didn't even know they had houses across the street, so I'd like to see-

Rachel LindsayHost22:01

I didn't either

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Callie CurryHost22:01

... what these bunny cottages look like.

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Callie CurryHost22:03

Um, can you imagine just living in that neighborhood? Like, he lived in the Beverly Hills Flats.

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Callie CurryHost22:09

Well-

Rachel LindsayHost22:10

Did he? I thought he lived in Westwood

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Callie CurryHost22:12

...

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Callie CurryHost22:12

he, no.

Rachel LindsayHost22:13

Like, I'm sorry, Holmby Hills.

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Callie CurryHost22:15

Yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost22:15

Rachel LindsayHost22:15

I thought he lived in Holmby Hills.

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Callie CurryHost22:16

Mm-hmm, he did.

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Callie CurryHost22:18

Um, that's why I was gonna say, like, adjacent to the Beverly Hills Flat- Flats, um, just a little bit, uh, west.

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Callie CurryHost22:24

Um, but, like, have, I'm assuming you've been there before.

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Callie CurryHost22:28

It is literally, like, the most regular, regular-

Rachel LindsayHost22:31

No, Kelly, I've never been there.

Rachel LindsayHost22:34

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost22:34

No, no, not the, not the Playboy Mansion.

Rachel LindsayHost22:37

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost22:37

But you've been to Holmby Hills before.

Rachel LindsayHost22:39

Yes, but we needed to be, we need it to be clear.

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Callie CurryHost22:42

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost22:42

Oh, okay.

Rachel LindsayHost22:43

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost22:43

Okay, okay, okay.

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Callie CurryHost22:44

I was like, what do you mean?

Rachel LindsayHost22:45

I was like, "Oh."

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Callie CurryHost22:45

Yeah, I have not been to the Play- I have not been to the Playboy Mansion either.

Rachel LindsayHost22:48

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost22:49

Um, but I'm saying, like, I have friends that live in that area, and-

Rachel LindsayHost22:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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Callie CurryHost22:52

...

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Callie CurryHost22:52

I was gonna call it a regular, regular neighborhood.

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Callie CurryHost22:54

It is not, 'cause the average home there is about-

Rachel LindsayHost22:56

No

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Callie CurryHost22:57

... $12 million

Rachel LindsayHost22:58

...

Rachel LindsayHost22:58

but it's quiet.

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Callie CurryHost22:59

But it's like a quiet-

Rachel LindsayHost23:00

It should quiet

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Callie CurryHost23:00

... um, normal-

Rachel LindsayHost23:03

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost23:03

... neighborhood, not price-wise, but, like, and not what the houses look like 'cause they're all very big, but, like, it looks like a normal neighborhood.

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Callie CurryHost23:11

Very community friendly.

Rachel LindsayHost23:13

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost23:13

Like, there's a nice park in that neighborhood, and it's just so interesting to me that, like, you would just, like, drive by and there's the Playboy Mansion, and then there's-

Rachel LindsayHost23:24

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost23:24

... there's the bunny cottages on the other [laughs] side.

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Callie CurryHost23:27

But-

Rachel LindsayHost23:27

I don't think you can tell, but...

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Callie CurryHost23:31

You can't tell what?

Rachel LindsayHost23:32

'Cause isn't it, that it's the Play- like, that it's... 'Cause there's, like-

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Callie CurryHost23:36

No, no

Rachel LindsayHost23:36

... a wall around it

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Callie CurryHost23:36

... there's just not, like, a billboard or anything.

Rachel LindsayHost23:39

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost23:39

No, you can't really tell.

Rachel LindsayHost23:40

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost23:40

I just think-

Rachel LindsayHost23:40

Can you imagine?

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Callie CurryHost23:41

This...

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Callie CurryHost23:42

No.

Rachel LindsayHost23:42

This way.

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Callie CurryHost23:43

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost23:43

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost23:43

Like, a big neon sign lit up.

Rachel LindsayHost23:45

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost23:46

It's just wild because it wasn't that long ago.

Rachel LindsayHost23:50

No, I know.

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Callie CurryHost23:50

Like, that there was-

Rachel LindsayHost23:51

I know

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Callie CurryHost23:51

...

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Callie CurryHost23:51

this house in this regular-ish neighborhood that had an old man with a bunch of younger women, and then houses across the street for his other younger women.

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Callie CurryHost24:03

Like, that's nuts to me.

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Callie CurryHost24:04

But anyways.

Rachel LindsayHost24:05

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost24:05

Uh, she lived-

Rachel LindsayHost24:06

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost24:06

...

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Callie CurryHost24:06

in a bunny cottage, and she said she never slept with Hef.

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Callie CurryHost24:10

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost24:12

I mean..

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Callie CurryHost24:12

... that's all we got

Rachel LindsayHost24:13

...

Rachel LindsayHost24:13

they all say that.

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Callie CurryHost24:14

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost24:14

They all used to say that.

Rachel LindsayHost24:15

Even even when-

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Callie CurryHost24:15

They used to say that.

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Callie CurryHost24:16

I feel like they've come out more recently

Rachel LindsayHost24:18

...

Rachel LindsayHost24:18

even when, uh, since the documentary.

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Callie CurryHost24:19

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost24:19

Yes, the, since there've been documentaries.

Rachel LindsayHost24:20

But, like, yeah, like, even when the reality show happened, they made it seem like- That's not what they were doing

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Callie CurryHost24:25

...

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Callie CurryHost24:25

they never explicitly said that they slept with him.

Rachel LindsayHost24:28

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost24:29

I just, I feel like if you stayed there-

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Callie CurryHost24:31

I used to watch that show.

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Callie CurryHost24:31

Buddy?

Rachel LindsayHost24:31

Loved it.

Rachel LindsayHost24:32

Loved it.

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Callie CurryHost24:33

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost24:34

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost24:34

[laughs] I feel like if you stayed there, anything could happen.

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Callie CurryHost24:39

There's a chance that anything-

Rachel LindsayHost24:40

Um

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Callie CurryHost24:40

... could happen, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost24:42

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost24:42

But she seemed pretty open to talking about it, and, um, that's all the information we got about her.

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Callie CurryHost24:48

The party started and ended.

Rachel LindsayHost24:51

And ended.

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Callie CurryHost24:52

It ended-

Rachel LindsayHost24:52

And ended

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Callie CurryHost24:52

...

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Callie CurryHost24:52

it ended with Jen telling Tamra that when she's not in the room, everyone has negative things to say about her, including Heather, and that Heather puts her in a box, and that's how she's able to be friends with her.

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Callie CurryHost25:05

And to-

Rachel LindsayHost25:05

She compartmentalizes the friendship.

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Callie CurryHost25:07

That's exa- literally, that's the exact sentence that Jen said.

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Callie CurryHost25:11

And, um, then Tamra was like, "Okay.

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Callie CurryHost25:16

Well, I'm gonna process this information and get back to you," and then left the party.

Rachel LindsayHost25:21

Like, I don't think that that's a problem.

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Callie CurryHost25:24

Well, Heather was pissed-

Rachel LindsayHost25:25

I think Tamra-

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Callie CurryHost25:25

... that Jen said it.

Rachel LindsayHost25:27

Oh, well, of course Heather's pissed that Jen said it.

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Callie CurryHost25:29

Yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost25:29

But at the same time, 'cause she knows Tamra won't receive that well.

Rachel LindsayHost25:34

Because you're saying that there's something, there's an issue.

Rachel LindsayHost25:36

I can't accept all of you, but I wanna be your friend.

Rachel LindsayHost25:39

And so I can only be your friend a certain way.

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Callie CurryHost25:42

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost25:42

And that's by, you know, putting you in, in, in a box, whatever, for the benefit of the friendship.

Rachel LindsayHost25:50

So Jen and Tamra are cool because they-

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Callie CurryHost25:54

Ish.

Rachel LindsayHost25:55

I think Jen's just very forgiving.

Rachel LindsayHost25:57

I think Jen will get along to get along, for the get-along.

Rachel LindsayHost26:00

You know what I mean? Like-

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Callie CurryHost26:01

I don't think she's-

Rachel LindsayHost26:01

... it's not that serious

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Callie CurryHost26:01

...

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Callie CurryHost26:01

there with Tamra yet.

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Callie CurryHost26:03

I think she wants everyone to say how they feel about Tamra because she's not the only one that feels negatively.

Rachel LindsayHost26:08

But she tells Tamra-

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Callie CurryHost26:10

That everyone-

Rachel LindsayHost26:11

[laughs] What Heather said

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Callie CurryHost26:11

... everyone, she, basically she's like, "Everyone feels negative things."

Rachel LindsayHost26:15

I feel like that's a running thing with Tamra and Heather, too.

Rachel LindsayHost26:18

I just wish-

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Callie CurryHost26:19

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost26:19

...

Rachel LindsayHost26:19

Heather would just kinda just be like, "Yeah, sometimes you make it difficult to be your friend, but I loved hanging out with you."

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Callie CurryHost26:27

But I do think that it's kind of normal in normal life to have a friend that you know has something that you don't like about them, but you're just like, "That's who they are, and I know that's part of, like, what I'm getting with her or him, and I still wanna be friends with them.

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Callie CurryHost26:41

I just have to, like, know that that could come up." The difference is-

Rachel LindsayHost26:45

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost26:45

...

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Callie CurryHost26:45

I'm not saying it on camera to other people.

Rachel LindsayHost26:47

I just was about to say that.

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Callie CurryHost26:48

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost26:48

I was like, you know who you say that to, Callie?

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Callie CurryHost26:50

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost26:50

Yourself.

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Callie CurryHost26:51

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost26:52

Right.

Rachel LindsayHost26:52

[laughs] And that's, but that's what-

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Callie CurryHost26:54

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost26:54

But Heather told somebody, you know what I mean?

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Callie CurryHost26:57

She told the entire group.

Rachel LindsayHost26:57

I mean, actually in real life, 'cause I can think of, like, I've been like, listen.

Rachel LindsayHost27:02

Love her, but-

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Callie CurryHost27:04

Yeah, but not with-

Rachel LindsayHost27:05

You know

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Callie CurryHost27:05

...

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Callie CurryHost27:05

if there was a camera in front of me, I'm never saying that.

Rachel LindsayHost27:08

No, which is why-

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Callie CurryHost27:09

And then if you're-

Rachel LindsayHost27:09

I'm not gonna say it to anybody I'm close with.

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Callie CurryHost27:11

If there's a camera in front of it, if there's a camera in front of me and I'm saying it, then I should also know that I'm probably gonna be held accountable for what I said.

Rachel LindsayHost27:18

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost27:19

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost27:20

Yeah.

Leaving OC, Heading to The Valley27:21 – 27:33

Rachel LindsayHost27:21

Um, well, that's OC.

Rachel LindsayHost27:23

Happy to have it back.

Rachel LindsayHost27:25

Moving on to The Valley, which all roads lead to Danny.

Rachel LindsayHost27:31

And-

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Callie CurryHost27:32

And Janet.

The Valley – Danny’s Drinking & Group Dynamics27:34 – 56:40

Rachel LindsayHost27:34

And Janet, but, like, I'm tired of the Danny conversation because I don't understand why it's, we're not landing the plane here.

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Callie CurryHost27:47

Well, we can't land-

Rachel LindsayHost27:47

Nobody cares that Danny drinks.

Rachel LindsayHost27:49

It's just how you-

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Callie CurryHost27:50

We can't land the plane

Rachel LindsayHost27:50

... it's just how you act

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Callie CurryHost27:52

... because Nia refuses to even acknowledge his drinking.

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Callie CurryHost27:59

Like, they both don't get it.

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Callie CurryHost28:01

It's not that, like, Danny being like, "I feel like I can't even have a drink in front of them." N- you can drink.

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Callie CurryHost28:07

You can get drunk, as long as you don't start touching people inappropriately when you drink, as long as you're not yelling at your wife in front of everybody when you drink.

Rachel LindsayHost28:16

That's it.

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Callie CurryHost28:17

Nobody cares about how much you drink.

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Callie CurryHost28:20

Nobody cares about-

Rachel LindsayHost28:21

Or that he was gyrating his hips.

Rachel LindsayHost28:22

I'm like, where did that come from?

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Callie CurryHost28:24

I know.

Rachel LindsayHost28:24

Nobody cared that he was dancing.

Rachel LindsayHost28:26

He was dancing away from everybody else.

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Callie CurryHost28:28

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost28:29

Go have fun.

Rachel LindsayHost28:30

Like, Nia made that worse.

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Callie CurryHost28:32

No one cares.

Rachel LindsayHost28:32

Nobody cared.

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Callie CurryHost28:33

All people care about is how you act, whether you're sober or drunk at this point.

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Callie CurryHost28:39

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost28:39

That's why I'm like, is Nia not getting it?

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Callie CurryHost28:40

Nia was on Watch What Happens Live, and Andy asked her-

Rachel LindsayHost28:44

What did she say?

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Callie CurryHost28:44

Uh, Andy asked her, she w- he was like, "Why does he sneak his drinks?" And Nia was like, "Oh, he didn't.

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Callie CurryHost28:52

We all knew that he was drinking." And Andy was like, "So he's never snuck a drink? Because we've seen on camera him sneaking drinks." And she's like, only-

Rachel LindsayHost29:00

And lying about it

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Callie CurryHost29:00

... uh, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost29:01

And she was like, "Only once at Zach's party." And Andy didn't follow up, but I wanted to be like, yeah, why? The camera has caught, caught him multiple times going to get drinks and then saying he's not drinking.

Rachel LindsayHost29:14

That was the Janet thing.

Rachel LindsayHost29:15

He went in the closet to-

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Callie CurryHost29:16

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost29:16

... sneak a drink.

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Callie CurryHost29:17

Yes.

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Callie CurryHost29:18

Yes.

Rachel LindsayHost29:19

Or he lies about the amounts that he's had.

Rachel LindsayHost29:21

He's drinking-

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Callie CurryHost29:22

Yes

Rachel LindsayHost29:22

...

Rachel LindsayHost29:22

in front of people, but then he's like, "Oh, I've only had two." And then they'll go back and they'll show that it was like eight.

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Callie CurryHost29:28

He's...

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Callie CurryHost29:28

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost29:29

I f- I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost29:31

I think he thinks his-

Rachel LindsayHost29:32

It's the denial

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Callie CurryHost29:32

... drinking is...

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Callie CurryHost29:33

Well, because they've also said, in the past they have said that he might have a drinking problem.

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Callie CurryHost29:37

But the reason why they are saying that is because of how he's acting-

Rachel LindsayHost29:41

Acting

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Callie CurryHost29:41

...

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Callie CurryHost29:41

when he's drinking.

Rachel LindsayHost29:42

That's all it is.

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Callie CurryHost29:43

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost29:43

And, and, and Nia knows that, but she doesn't wanna acknowledge it.

Rachel LindsayHost29:47

So I think for her it's just like, don't drink, or, you know, like, you can't drink around them or you can't be that way, because she knows.

Rachel LindsayHost29:55

She can't even trust w- how he's gonna be.

Rachel LindsayHost29:59

He's unpredictable.

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Callie CurryHost30:01

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost30:01

Sometimes he drinks and he's fine.

Rachel LindsayHost30:03

At Zach's party, he was fine.

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Callie CurryHost30:05

Yeah, he had like one or two drinks.

Rachel LindsayHost30:05

Nobody said anything.

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Callie CurryHost30:06

So I feel like-

Rachel LindsayHost30:08

But a-

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Callie CurryHost30:08

... it's when he drinks in excess is when he starts acting crazy

Rachel LindsayHost30:11

... on a vacation, on the birthday.

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Callie CurryHost30:13

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost30:13

On...

Rachel LindsayHost30:14

Also, how Danny is it to have your anniversary on your birthday?

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Callie CurryHost30:21

Um, I did think they got that.

Rachel LindsayHost30:23

I couldn't...

Rachel LindsayHost30:23

I was like, that is so Danny coded

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Callie CurryHost30:26

codedBecause the fact that he led with, "It's my birthday.

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Callie CurryHost30:29

It's my birthday.

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Callie CurryHost30:29

It's a good day to have a good day.

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Callie CurryHost30:31

It's my birthday," da da da da.

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Callie CurryHost30:32

For like the first 10 minutes of the episode I didn't know it was their anniversary.

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Callie CurryHost30:35

Then on the boat he was like, "Also, it's our anniversary." And I was like, [scoffs] "What?"

Rachel LindsayHost30:42

I'd be pissed if my husband proposed to me on his birthday.

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Callie CurryHost30:45

Wait, not propose.

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Callie CurryHost30:46

Get m- got married.

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Callie CurryHost30:47

Your anniversary-

Rachel LindsayHost30:48

Oh yeah

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Callie CurryHost30:48

... is not when you get-

Rachel LindsayHost30:49

Sorry, got married

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Callie CurryHost30:49

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost30:49

Got married.

Rachel LindsayHost30:51

Even worse.

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Callie CurryHost30:52

But like-

Rachel LindsayHost30:52

Actually, I was thinking engagement this whole time

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Callie CurryHost30:54

... you have to-

Rachel LindsayHost30:54

Even worse.

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Callie CurryHost30:55

You have to pick your wedding date.

Rachel LindsayHost30:58

But can't you see Danny being like, "It's my birthday.

Rachel LindsayHost31:02

I wanna get married.

Rachel LindsayHost31:04

It's the only way I'm gonna remember our anniversary date."

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Callie CurryHost31:07

But-

Rachel LindsayHost31:07

That's what I kept thinking.

Rachel LindsayHost31:07

I thought, "Oh." [laughs]

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Callie CurryHost31:08

Let me tell you, my anniversary is three days before my birthday.

Rachel LindsayHost31:14

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost31:14

We got married on September 14th.

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Callie CurryHost31:16

My birthday is September 17th.

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Callie CurryHost31:18

And, um, it had to be on the 14th 'cause I wanted the dates to equal an infinity.

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Callie CurryHost31:25

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost31:26

Beautiful

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Callie CurryHost31:27

...

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Callie CurryHost31:27

but I really feel like I miss out on a present.

Rachel LindsayHost31:32

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost31:33

With the birthday and the anniversary being too close together, I feel bad for Danny.

Rachel LindsayHost31:41

Danny wanted this.

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Callie CurryHost31:43

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost31:44

I, he, that's my point.

Rachel LindsayHost31:46

Danny wanted to be like, "It's my wedding, but it's my birthday."

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Callie CurryHost31:52

My birthday.

Rachel LindsayHost31:52

Like, it's about me.

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Callie CurryHost31:53

Yeah, it's my party.

Rachel LindsayHost31:54

Just like you said for the-

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Callie CurryHost31:55

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost31:55

... first 10 minutes.

Rachel LindsayHost31:56

I also think he probably is like, "It's easy for me to remember my anniversary because it's on my birthday."

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Callie CurryHost32:02

Well, he also said our real anniversary.

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Callie CurryHost32:04

I was like, "So what's your fake one?"

Rachel LindsayHost32:06

Maybe they got married in, um, like, a, what we're seeing on In The City.

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Callie CurryHost32:10

Oh.

Rachel LindsayHost32:11

Like I-

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Callie CurryHost32:11

Oh

Rachel LindsayHost32:11

...

Rachel LindsayHost32:12

I got married in August, but my wedding is, was technically in October.

Rachel LindsayHost32:17

Like, the, I'm, marriage was, the marriage was solidified.

Rachel LindsayHost32:21

And I constantly think about, like, damn.

Rachel LindsayHost32:24

We, and we almost missed the deadline.

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Callie CurryHost32:26

I don't even get-

Rachel LindsayHost32:26

And I was like, damn

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Callie CurryHost32:27

... didn't you, I, I think I did it all on the same day.

Rachel LindsayHost32:31

I got married in Cancun.

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Callie CurryHost32:33

Oh.

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Callie CurryHost32:35

And so did, so did In The City peeps.

Rachel LindsayHost32:37

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost32:38

I got married in Mexico.

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Callie CurryHost32:39

I wonder where Janet and, um-

Rachel LindsayHost32:40

And I could've done it before.

Rachel LindsayHost32:41

Like, you can do it before.

Rachel LindsayHost32:43

But I was, like, in this head space where I was like, I really don't wanna go into this wedding knowing I'm already married.

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Callie CurryHost32:51

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost32:51

I wanna feel like-

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Callie CurryHost32:52

Yeah, I got married

Rachel LindsayHost32:53

...

Rachel LindsayHost32:53

this was it.

Rachel LindsayHost32:54

And then got lazy and was like, one day I was like, six weeks later I was like, yeah, we need to solidify this.

Rachel LindsayHost33:00

Damn it, I shouldn't have done that.

Rachel LindsayHost33:03

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost33:04

[laughs] Everything happens for a reason.

Rachel LindsayHost33:06

Shouldn't have done it.

Rachel LindsayHost33:07

Shouldn't have done it.

Rachel LindsayHost33:07

But no, no, no, no, no.

Rachel LindsayHost33:08

So maybe that's, that's what he meant with that.

Rachel LindsayHost33:11

I, okay, a couple of things here.

Rachel LindsayHost33:14

Uh, before we do the Janet, 'cause that's a heavier conversation.

Rachel LindsayHost33:17

But-

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Callie CurryHost33:18

Mm

Rachel LindsayHost33:19

...

Rachel LindsayHost33:19

Jesse telling Kristen what Luke said.

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Callie CurryHost33:21

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost33:22

Like, I really just love the, the role Lacy is in the show.

Rachel LindsayHost33:28

She's like, "Why did you do that?"

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Callie CurryHost33:31

I, I know-

Rachel LindsayHost33:32

Why did you do that? Even-

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Callie CurryHost33:32

They were also on Watch What Happens Live, um, maybe last week.

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Callie CurryHost33:36

I felt like it was this week-

Rachel LindsayHost33:38

Uh-huh

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Callie CurryHost33:38

... with Georgia, um, from in, from Next Gen.

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Callie CurryHost33:42

And, um-

Rachel LindsayHost33:43

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost33:44

She disgusts me.

Rachel LindsayHost33:45

I'm sorry.

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Callie CurryHost33:46

Uh.

Rachel LindsayHost33:46

I hate her.

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Callie CurryHost33:46

Oh, really?

Rachel LindsayHost33:47

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost33:48

Oh, for the hand washing thing?

Rachel LindsayHost33:50

She's, all of it.

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Callie CurryHost33:52

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost33:53

Well-

Rachel LindsayHost33:54

I, I actually think she's nasty.

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Callie CurryHost33:56

Mm.

Rachel LindsayHost33:56

I'm sorry.

Rachel LindsayHost33:57

If, if I was doing Watch What Happen Lives and she was sitting next to me, I too would be like, I d- I, I can't shake her hand.

Rachel LindsayHost34:04

I know we're not doing Next Gen, but even when she did the cleaning product thing, which I was like, this has to be for comedic relief.

Rachel LindsayHost34:09

Like, this does not make any sense.

Rachel LindsayHost34:12

There's a moment where the editors, where she's, like, talking about, "Oh, I don't wash my hands," blah, blah, blah.

Rachel LindsayHost34:16

And they, they s- they, they put the camera on her feet.

Rachel LindsayHost34:20

I don't know why.

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Callie CurryHost34:21

Oh.

Rachel LindsayHost34:21

But there was a mo- there was, like, three seconds on her feet.

Rachel LindsayHost34:23

And I was like, why did they do that? What are they trying to tell us? She's, it's just, it's just nasty to me.

Rachel LindsayHost34:29

It's gross.

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Callie CurryHost34:30

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost34:30

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost34:30

I mean, listen.

Rachel LindsayHost34:32

I'm sorry.

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Callie CurryHost34:32

Not washing your hands is gross.

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Callie CurryHost34:33

I don't, I don't disagree with that.

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Callie CurryHost34:35

I'm a germaphobe, so you don't have to tell me.

Rachel LindsayHost34:37

I'm not.

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Callie CurryHost34:38

I, mm.

Rachel LindsayHost34:38

And I still think it's disgusting.

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Callie CurryHost34:41

Um, but on in this, on Watch What Happens Live with your fave, Georgia.

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Callie CurryHost34:48

They're still together.

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Callie CurryHost34:49

But, like, does it seem...

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Callie CurryHost34:51

Like, I agree with Michelle.

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Callie CurryHost34:52

Does it seem like Lacy likes him?

Rachel LindsayHost34:55

No, but Michelle keeps saying the way Jesse is with you.

Rachel LindsayHost35:01

And so, like, I would imagine that it can't just be all Jesse that she's seeing for her, for Michelle to feel a certain way.

Rachel LindsayHost35:10

It, there has to be some sort of, Lacy has to be reciprocating the emotion, the touching, the kissing.

Rachel LindsayHost35:17

Because if Jesse just-

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Callie CurryHost35:18

She must, but we just don't see it

Rachel LindsayHost35:19

... we just don't see it.

Rachel LindsayHost35:20

And I think that fits, kind of like, the narrative, which-

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Callie CurryHost35:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Rachel LindsayHost35:23

...

Rachel LindsayHost35:23

I do enjoy watching it, making it seem like she doesn't.

Rachel LindsayHost35:26

But if Michelle-

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Callie CurryHost35:27

She's so dry

Rachel LindsayHost35:27

... was just watching it, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost35:30

If Michelle was just watching Jesse, like, begging to kiss her or trying to hold her hand and she's not, then Michelle would be, not feel as sensitive as she does about the situation.

Rachel LindsayHost35:41

So they obviously have to be lovey-dovey around each other-

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Callie CurryHost35:44

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost35:44

... for Michelle to be feeling a certain way.

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Callie CurryHost35:46

I think it's also, like, the way she talks.

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Callie CurryHost35:48

Like, she's just always just like-

Rachel LindsayHost35:50

I don't trust her or her intentions

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Callie CurryHost35:50

... "Jesse, why did you do that? Jesse, please don't touch me." Like, she's just very dry and I actually enjoy watching them.

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Callie CurryHost36:00

Didn't think I'd say that.

Rachel LindsayHost36:01

Love it.

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Callie CurryHost36:02

I, I enjoy watching them.

Rachel LindsayHost36:03

Love it.

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Callie CurryHost36:03

Um, don't think he-

Rachel LindsayHost36:04

Ugh

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Callie CurryHost36:04

... needed to tell Kristen what Luke said.

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Callie CurryHost36:07

And Kristen is so clearly going through postpartum d- depression.

Rachel LindsayHost36:14

I know.

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Callie CurryHost36:14

I don't think she needs any other bad news.

Rachel LindsayHost36:17

I know.

Rachel LindsayHost36:18

But-

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Callie CurryHost36:18

And not that it was bad news, but anything for her to overthink or...

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Callie CurryHost36:24

I, she just needs to focus on being okay.

Rachel LindsayHost36:27

But as you've seen-

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Callie CurryHost36:27

And I think even being on the show is too much

Rachel LindsayHost36:29

muchI, uh, sh- for sure.

Rachel LindsayHost36:32

And as we've seen with Jesse, I mean, and these men.

Rachel LindsayHost36:36

Remember the men conversations that we used to have to see them circle up and, like, bitch about their issues and what their women weren't doing for them? I just think that postpartum depression is not even a thought-

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Callie CurryHost36:51

Oh, well, I think it's really hard-

Rachel LindsayHost36:52

... for, for a Jesse

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Callie CurryHost36:52

... to understand.

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Callie CurryHost36:54

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost36:55

But I think we know...

Rachel LindsayHost36:56

Right, he'll never f- but, like, you know that that is a thing.

Rachel LindsayHost36:59

And I'm not a w-

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Callie CurryHost37:00

Certainly

Rachel LindsayHost37:01

...

Rachel LindsayHost37:01

I've never had kids.

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Callie CurryHost37:01

Also, you would think that Jesse would get it more than others, but...

Rachel LindsayHost37:06

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost37:08

No.

Rachel LindsayHost37:08

Yeah, it's...

Rachel LindsayHost37:09

That was really bad timing.

Rachel LindsayHost37:11

I'm actually shocked at the way Kristen handled it.

Rachel LindsayHost37:15

I would've...

Rachel LindsayHost37:15

I thought she would've been more...

Rachel LindsayHost37:18

I, I, I- and maybe she's just, like, hit her, her max when it comes to it.

Rachel LindsayHost37:22

But she didn't react in the way that I did.

Rachel LindsayHost37:25

She just...

Rachel LindsayHost37:26

And maybe that's, maybe that is worse, no reaction.

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Callie CurryHost37:29

Mm.

Rachel LindsayHost37:29

She was just zoned out and silent.

Rachel LindsayHost37:33

Um, I hope that they're doing much better now, 'cause they were both at Jasmine's wedding.

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Callie CurryHost37:38

Oh, okay.

Rachel LindsayHost37:38

So that's a, that's a good thing-

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Callie CurryHost37:41

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost37:41

... to me.

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Callie CurryHost37:42

I mean, I think going through it can be hard for both people, and I don't think Luke f- definitely is not under grasp...

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Callie CurryHost37:49

Like, he, I don't think he's fully grasping what's happening with Kristen.

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Callie CurryHost37:52

And, um, honestly, maybe watching it back he'll have a better understanding.

Rachel LindsayHost37:58

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost37:58

And I think, I even think Kristen's breakdown of, like, this isn't how Luke saw how this was gonna, was gonna go.

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Callie CurryHost38:05

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost38:06

He's in LA.

Rachel LindsayHost38:07

He'd rather be in Colorado or Indiana.

Rachel LindsayHost38:10

He's m- not much younger, but he's younger.

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Callie CurryHost38:12

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost38:13

Now he has a child.

Rachel LindsayHost38:14

Like, all, like, it's all moving fast.

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Callie CurryHost38:16

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost38:16

And he probably didn't think that this is how it would be or how fast things would move or...

Rachel LindsayHost38:22

You know, there's, like, a lack of understanding there.

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Callie CurryHost38:24

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost38:24

And when she said it like that, not that I'm cut- trying to cut him any bell, I was just kinda like, "That actually makes a lot of sense, too."

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Callie CurryHost38:31

Yeah, also for a man or a woman, but especially a man, every man is like, "Yeah, I want a kid" and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but they have no idea what it's actually like when you have a kid, so.

Rachel LindsayHost38:42

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost38:42

Which we will-

Rachel LindsayHost38:43

And every kid's different

C

Callie CurryHost38:43

... be discussing in a second when we get into In the City.

Rachel LindsayHost38:47

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost38:47

Yeah, we will.

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Callie CurryHost38:48

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost38:48

Every kid is different.

Rachel LindsayHost38:50

Every mom has a different experience.

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Callie CurryHost38:51

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost38:52

So again, like, I mean, Kristen's saying, "I don't even know who I am right now." I, I...

Rachel LindsayHost38:58

That speaks volumes.

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Callie CurryHost38:59

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost39:01

You know? You're trying to raise a child for the first time and figure that out, and also, like, figure yourself out in this world, too.

Rachel LindsayHost39:09

And I think...

Rachel LindsayHost39:10

Wasn't it Jesse who was like...

Rachel LindsayHost39:12

It was Jesse.

Rachel LindsayHost39:13

He's so understanding in the confessionals, so I feel like he meant well, it just came out wrong.

Rachel LindsayHost39:19

But when he's like, "You are dif..." I forgot how he said it.

Rachel LindsayHost39:22

I don't wanna say it wrong.

Rachel LindsayHost39:23

But the way he talked about the way parents are after a child, too, um, I was like, oh, that was a really, that was a really insightful way to say it.

Rachel LindsayHost39:34

Um, Jesse seems to be better with Lacey.

Rachel LindsayHost39:38

Now that's not saying he gets it all right because let's not forget, let's not forget how when he's talking to Lala he's like, "You gotta get to m- You're gonna have to go through me first [laughs] to get to Danny."

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Callie CurryHost39:50

What is this-

Rachel LindsayHost39:50

While I'm laughing in his face was, like, I was like, that is the only appropriate response because what are you saying? [laughs]

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Callie CurryHost39:57

So first of all-

Rachel LindsayHost39:58

You gotta go to Danny to get to...

Rachel LindsayHost40:00

You're gonna have to go to [laughs] Danny-

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Callie CurryHost40:00

You go through me to get to Danny

Rachel LindsayHost40:02

... me if you need to get to Danny.

Rachel LindsayHost40:03

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost40:03

There's a few things.

Rachel LindsayHost40:04

One-

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Callie CurryHost40:06

One, put my hands up, I was wrong.

Rachel LindsayHost40:12

About?

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Callie CurryHost40:12

I'm very happy to have Lala and Schwartz on the show.

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Callie CurryHost40:15

I think they've been great additions.

Rachel LindsayHost40:17

It's just Lala.

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Callie CurryHost40:17

No, I'm fine with Schwartz, too.

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Callie CurryHost40:19

Lala has been better, but, like, even having Schwartz there and him, like, having Schwartz-a-palooza, he's just, like, another element to the group that I think is totally fine.

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Callie CurryHost40:30

Um, I thought I was going to hate them both on the show, and thank God that Lala is there.

Rachel LindsayHost40:39

For sure Lala.

Rachel LindsayHost40:41

Yes, I agree.

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Callie CurryHost40:42

I have no problem with Schwartz, to be clear.

C

Callie CurryHost40:44

But I think Lala has been...

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Callie CurryHost40:48

We needed her, and I didn't know we needed her.

Rachel LindsayHost40:52

It's the outside perspective.

Rachel LindsayHost40:53

Like, I think we ta- I don't know if I talked about this with you or with Ben from Watch What Crappens, who agrees with my Schwartz, Schwartz take on it, but he...

Rachel LindsayHost41:04

It, it's like the outside perspective of the person who's, like, not as close with the Da- with Danny or with Nia, who's watching it, who...

Rachel LindsayHost41:15

Also, where she is in life.

Rachel LindsayHost41:16

Like, it...

Rachel LindsayHost41:17

And it's funny because Danny kinda is like, "Go to your husband," and it's like, Lala doesn't want one.

Rachel LindsayHost41:24

That's where you seem to be mistaken.

Rachel LindsayHost41:26

You have-

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Callie CurryHost41:27

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost41:27

... you are, and listen-

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Callie CurryHost41:27

He thinks that having a husband is, like, the prize.

Rachel LindsayHost41:30

To each their own, right? Nia and Danny are very religious, they're very traditional, and that is the way that they want their marriage to be, and that's fine.

Rachel LindsayHost41:36

They have found that in each other.

Rachel LindsayHost41:38

Great for them.

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Callie CurryHost41:39

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost41:39

But then don't think that that's what everybody else wants.

Rachel LindsayHost41:43

Lala made a decision-

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Callie CurryHost41:44

Which I love

Rachel LindsayHost41:44

... to have a child without a man.

Rachel LindsayHost41:46

She has been through hell and back with her baby- her, her first baby daddy.

Rachel LindsayHost41:51

She doesn't want this.

Rachel LindsayHost41:52

She is making an adult, a very conscious decision for her.

Rachel LindsayHost41:56

So when Danny threw that thinking it was an insult, it made me laugh 'cause I was like... 'Cause I've kinda, like, a little bit f- uh, really relate to Lala in some ways with this.

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Callie CurryHost42:08

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost42:09

And I was like, you thought that was a jab.

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Callie CurryHost42:12

Well, I love that Lala-

Rachel LindsayHost42:13

Nobody, they don't want what you have

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Callie CurryHost42:13

... immediately responded and was like, "If this is what having a husband looks like, I don't want it."

Rachel LindsayHost42:21

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost42:22

You're the reason I don't.

Rachel LindsayHost42:23

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost42:24

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost42:25

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost42:25

Like, you-

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Callie CurryHost42:25

She's like, "What?"

Rachel LindsayHost42:25

... you are not the prize, Danny.

Rachel LindsayHost42:27

Like, it is 2026.

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Callie CurryHost42:28

I think, I genuinely think he thinks that he is a prize

Rachel LindsayHost42:30

prizeAbsolutely.

Rachel LindsayHost42:35

Absolutely, and I think Nia does too.

Rachel LindsayHost42:39

And again, that wor- I think they subscribe to the traditional marriage, biblical marriage.

Rachel LindsayHost42:48

They want that.

Rachel LindsayHost42:49

They, that is what they want for them, and good for them.

Rachel LindsayHost42:51

I'm not here to judge that.

Rachel LindsayHost42:53

But don't think that that is what we all want, and don't think that we are all accepting of the way he acts, the way that he treats you, because...

Rachel LindsayHost43:03

And, and, and, and you might be okay with it, because that is what you want.

Rachel LindsayHost43:09

You just want the traditional marriage.

Rachel LindsayHost43:10

We are not okay with it, and we're gonna speak our minds about it.

Rachel LindsayHost43:14

I mean, it is...

Rachel LindsayHost43:15

You talk about, um, Luke watching it back and seeing, and maybe it'll help him understand Kristen or their relationship better, and Kristen too.

Rachel LindsayHost43:25

But I would want that for Danny and Nia.

Rachel LindsayHost43:27

The thing is, I bet they don't re-watch the show.

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Callie CurryHost43:31

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost43:32

And I don't think it matters.

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Callie CurryHost43:33

I think all that matters-

Rachel LindsayHost43:35

That's, that's a good point

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Callie CurryHost43:36

... to Nia-

Rachel LindsayHost43:40

Danny and D- or Nia

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Callie CurryHost43:42

I don't...

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Callie CurryHost43:42

Danny f- uh, Danny thinks his behavior is fine.

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Callie CurryHost43:45

Nia may have some issues with Daniel's behavior, but-

Rachel LindsayHost43:51

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost43:53

... um, she wants her family to stay together.

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Callie CurryHost43:55

She values, like, a family unit, so I just don't, it doesn't, I don't think...

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Callie CurryHost43:59

I think Daniel could do just about anything, and she's...

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Callie CurryHost44:03

And, and to each their own.

Rachel LindsayHost44:05

Yes.

Rachel LindsayHost44:06

It is...

Rachel LindsayHost44:09

When D- when Nia, when Nia goes up to the room 'cause she's frustrated, and of course her husband does not go with her.

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Callie CurryHost44:16

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost44:16

You know, because, and all he's concerned about is, "It's my birthday, and I, all I..." It, it's funny, because he's giving this in a confessional, so it's later.

Rachel LindsayHost44:27

So to your point, nothing's changed.

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Callie CurryHost44:30

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost44:30

There's no reflection or anything.

Rachel LindsayHost44:31

And he's like, "All I wanted to do is go up with my wife, us go together, and to have that moment together." Which is, "All I wanted to do is have my wife have sex with me tonight, and I didn't get to have that moment."

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Callie CurryHost44:46

Well, even in the morning, that was one of his fav- that was his, one of the first things he said.

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Callie CurryHost44:50

He was like, "It's my birthday.

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Callie CurryHost44:51

It's a great day to have a good day.

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Callie CurryHost44:53

I can't wait to have sex with you later on." I was like, what?

Rachel LindsayHost44:57

Birthday sex.

Rachel LindsayHost44:57

I, you know what, that comment at the beginning of the day didn't even really bother me.

Rachel LindsayHost45:02

It's your birthday.

Rachel LindsayHost45:02

You want birthday sex.

Rachel LindsayHost45:03

Typical.

Rachel LindsayHost45:04

But at the end of the night, your wife is visibly upset.

Rachel LindsayHost45:07

You're saying, "Don't heighten me.

Rachel LindsayHost45:09

Don't say things that are gonna make me heighten." She's, I don't like how she's like, "These people are terrible.

Rachel LindsayHost45:15

These are horrible people." And I like that Jasmine was like, "You need to name names.

Rachel LindsayHost45:20

You need to be specific.

Rachel LindsayHost45:21

Don't bec- don't call us all horrible." She storms off, and he's like, "You know what? I'm not gonna go after.

Rachel LindsayHost45:26

It's my birthday.

Rachel LindsayHost45:27

I'm gonna keep drinking somebody's drink with me, and I'm throwing a, and now I'm throwing a tantrum 'cause I don't get to have sex with my wife tonight." And she goes upstairs and she says, "Pray for me." [laughs] I don't know why that was funny to me.

Rachel LindsayHost45:39

It's not.

Rachel LindsayHost45:40

I believe in prayer.

Rachel LindsayHost45:41

But it w- it made me laugh when she said, "Just pray for me." [laughs]

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Callie CurryHost45:45

I, I, the, the comment about, "I can't wait to have sex with you," it icks, like it just gives, he gives me the icks.

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Callie CurryHost45:51

That's one thing.

Rachel LindsayHost45:52

He does.

Rachel LindsayHost45:52

He's icky.

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Callie CurryHost45:53

But it's also just, like, sh- it felt like, "Yeah, you have to have sex with me, because it's my birthday." And I was like, mm, she still doesn't have to have sex with you, one.

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Callie CurryHost46:02

Two, there's been too many instances this season where Danny talks about sex or not having sex because of having kids-

Rachel LindsayHost46:08

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost46:09

... her being tired.

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Callie CurryHost46:10

So the way he approaches sex with Nia just weirds me out.

Rachel LindsayHost46:15

No.

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Callie CurryHost46:15

It's not a chore for her.

Rachel LindsayHost46:16

100%.

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Callie CurryHost46:17

Or should it be?

Rachel LindsayHost46:18

100%.

Rachel LindsayHost46:19

I was j- I wanna be clear.

Rachel LindsayHost46:21

I agree with you.

Rachel LindsayHost46:22

I just, if you wake up on your, on your birthday and you're like, "I, I, I wanna have sex, it's my birthday," I was saying I get that, but you are right.

Rachel LindsayHost46:30

It does feel like...

Rachel LindsayHost46:33

It takes, he takes the romance out of it.

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Callie CurryHost46:35

Yeah, like it's just so weird.

Rachel LindsayHost46:38

He takes the intimacy out of it.

Rachel LindsayHost46:38

It's like, "Oh, haven't been clipped yet.

Rachel LindsayHost46:40

Haven't..." 'Cause that's what he says, too, in the morning.

Rachel LindsayHost46:42

Now that part I disagree with.

Rachel LindsayHost46:43

He's like, "Let's, should we try for another baby? Haven't been fixed yet." It's like she's not a m- I mean, I was about to say she's not a mammal.

Rachel LindsayHost46:50

She is a mammal, but she's not like [laughs]

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Callie CurryHost46:54

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost46:54

She is not some animal.

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Callie CurryHost46:55

A machine.

Rachel LindsayHost46:57

Yeah, like it's-

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Callie CurryHost46:58

All of it just weirds me out

Rachel LindsayHost47:02

Oof

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Callie CurryHost47:02

Weirds me out.

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Callie CurryHost47:02

Also-

Rachel LindsayHost47:03

Danny would absolutely-

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Callie CurryHost47:04

Don't you just have sex?

Rachel LindsayHost47:06

... have subscribed to The Handmaid's Tale.

Rachel LindsayHost47:08

He absolutely would've lived in Gideon, and he absolutely would've been one of the men running the show.

Rachel LindsayHost47:15

His wife would've created it, and he would've, he would've put her to the side to, like, be the big dog in, I'm trying to think of what his name is, of whatever.

Rachel LindsayHost47:27

Of Danny would've been a real thing, and he absolutely would've been one of the main guys in Gideon.

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Callie CurryHost47:33

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost47:34

Was it called Gideon?

Rachel LindsayHost47:34

And taken pride in it.

Rachel LindsayHost47:36

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost47:37

Isn't it?

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Callie CurryHost47:37

No, that sounds weird to me.

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Callie CurryHost47:38

I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost47:39

You can Google it.

Rachel LindsayHost47:39

Is it not Gideon?

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Callie CurryHost47:40

I haven't watched in a few-

Rachel LindsayHost47:41

[laughs] Why would it not be Gideon?

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Callie CurryHost47:42

I, I haven't watched in a few seasons, but, like-

Rachel LindsayHost47:44

[laughs] Let me look this up.

Rachel LindsayHost47:46

It's not Gideon.

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Callie CurryHost47:47

Yeah, what is it?

Rachel LindsayHost47:49

It's Gilead.

Rachel LindsayHost47:49

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost47:49

Gilead.

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Callie CurryHost47:50

I was like, I hope think it's Gideon.

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Callie CurryHost47:52

[laughs] That does not sound right.

Rachel LindsayHost47:55

Let me tell, let me for the, all the audience-

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Callie CurryHost47:57

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost47:57

... 'cause they'll get on to me about this.

Rachel LindsayHost47:59

It's not that I don't do my, I, if you even listen to Higher Learning, I will mess up a name.

Rachel LindsayHost48:05

It is, that has always been me.

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Callie CurryHost48:08

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost48:08

I cannot remember names, and I'm sorry.

Rachel LindsayHost48:11

I'm not trying to be disrespectful.

Rachel LindsayHost48:12

It's not that I'm not w- I'm not watching the show.

Rachel LindsayHost48:15

I'm not, I just, it is a thing.

Rachel LindsayHost48:17

There's gotta be some type of disorder where you-

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Callie CurryHost48:21

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost48:22

... like jumble up names and, and letters in your-

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Callie CurryHost48:24

You were close

Rachel LindsayHost48:25

...

Rachel LindsayHost48:25

in your head.

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Callie CurryHost48:26

Kinda.

Rachel LindsayHost48:27

I would've walked away with Gi- Gilead.

Rachel LindsayHost48:30

Excuse me.

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Callie CurryHost48:30

I know.

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Callie CurryHost48:30

Every time you said it, I was like-

Rachel LindsayHost48:32

Apologies to the Gideons out there

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Callie CurryHost48:33

...

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Callie CurryHost48:33

I don't think it was called Gideon.

Rachel LindsayHost48:34

Let me put some respect on your name.

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Callie CurryHost48:36

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost48:36

Danny would have been one of the leaders-

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Callie CurryHost48:40

Head of Gilead Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost48:43

Absolutely.

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Callie CurryHost48:45

Did you see that, um, Nia was on, I can't remember the name of the podcast, a podcast.

Rachel LindsayHost48:52

Uh, she was on Not Skinny, Not Fat.

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Callie CurryHost48:54

Yeah, Not Skin- Not Skinny-

Rachel LindsayHost48:56

Is it?

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Callie CurryHost48:56

But Not...

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Callie CurryHost48:56

Yeah, Not Skinny But Not Fat.

Rachel LindsayHost48:57

Or is it, or is it Not Skinny Buff-

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Callie CurryHost48:59

No, it's Not Skinny-

Rachel LindsayHost49:00

You know what?

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Callie CurryHost49:00

...

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Callie CurryHost49:00

But Not Fat.

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Callie CurryHost49:01

It's Not Skinny But Not Fat.

Rachel LindsayHost49:02

But for the first time, obviously that's a popular podcast, Amanda's done well with it, but say, I've never had to say it out loud, and it's giving homeless toothless.

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Callie CurryHost49:14

I knew you were gonna say that.

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Callie CurryHost49:15

By the way, that-

Rachel LindsayHost49:15

Well, it is

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Callie CurryHost49:16

... that clip-

Rachel LindsayHost49:16

Because I'm not sure what it is

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Callie CurryHost49:18

... every time it comes across my TikTok, I stop and watch.

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Callie CurryHost49:23

Homeless not toothless, that clip with Kathy and, um, Dorit, Garcelle-

Rachel LindsayHost49:29

Garcelle

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Callie CurryHost49:30

... all of them.

Rachel LindsayHost49:31

What is the name of her podcast?

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Callie CurryHost49:32

Cracks me up.

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Callie CurryHost49:33

Not Skinny But Not Fat.

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Callie CurryHost49:34

And-

Rachel LindsayHost49:35

Same

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Callie CurryHost49:35

... on the podcast, Nia offers, it wasn't even really a question, about how she was Miss USA.

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Callie CurryHost49:45

Miss America? Which one was she?

Rachel LindsayHost49:47

Did she win?

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Callie CurryHost49:49

Whatever pageant that she was on.

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Callie CurryHost49:51

Miss America, Miss USA, I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost49:53

One's, uh, one's associated with some-

Rachel LindsayHost49:54

She's, it's Miss USA.

Rachel LindsayHost49:55

No, no, no.

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Callie CurryHost49:55

Okay.

Rachel LindsayHost49:55

It's a Miss USA thing, for sure.

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Callie CurryHost49:57

Rachel LindsayHost49:57

I just don't know-

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Callie CurryHost49:58

She said during Miss USA pageant, Trump came in with a bunch of his golf buddies, and it was very uncomfortable-

Rachel LindsayHost50:08

Uh-huh

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Callie CurryHost50:08

... and that they were looking at them like meat, basically, and there was no point in them being there.

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Callie CurryHost50:12

He just, like, kinda came in to be like, "Look at all these young girls," and one of the golf buddies, uh, like, put his arm on her waist, and she grabbed the man and said, "Do not touch me." And she was just saying how, like, all women should have some sort of, like, baseline self-defense classes and how it all creeped her out.

Rachel LindsayHost50:31

Good for her.

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Callie CurryHost50:32

Yeah, but interesting.

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Callie CurryHost50:33

Wasn't expecting her to say negative things about Trump.

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Callie CurryHost50:37

That's all I'm gonna say.

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Callie CurryHost50:38

I'll leave that there.

Rachel LindsayHost50:39

Is she, is she, is she MAGA?

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Callie CurryHost50:42

Uh, it's definitely been insinuated by Janet.

Rachel LindsayHost50:45

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost50:46

Janet did, Janet did insinuate that.

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Callie CurryHost50:48

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost50:48

Um, let's put some respect on Nia's name.

Rachel LindsayHost50:50

Nia was Miss USA.

Rachel LindsayHost50:52

[laughs] And almost-

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Callie CurryHost50:53

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost50:53

... and was first runner-up Miss Universe.

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Callie CurryHost50:56

Yeah, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost50:58

I knew she was-

Rachel LindsayHost50:58

Um-

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Callie CurryHost50:58

I knew she was Miss USA, but-

Rachel LindsayHost50:59

I knew it wasn't Miss America.

Rachel LindsayHost51:00

I knew it wasn't Miss America.

Rachel LindsayHost51:01

I just didn't know how-

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Callie CurryHost51:02

I-

Rachel LindsayHost51:02

I just didn't know-

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Callie CurryHost51:02

I know there's a difference

Rachel LindsayHost51:03

... where she landed.

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Callie CurryHost51:04

I know Trump has one and somebody has the other, but I don't know who the somebody is.

Rachel LindsayHost51:08

Miss USA is the one we really talk about.

Rachel LindsayHost51:11

That's where, like-

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Callie CurryHost51:12

Really?

Rachel LindsayHost51:12

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost51:13

Like, that's where-

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Callie CurryHost51:14

I thought Miss America was the bigger one

Rachel LindsayHost51:14

...

Rachel LindsayHost51:14

Camille Crawford came from.

Rachel LindsayHost51:17

That, uh, uh, the, the...

Rachel LindsayHost51:19

Maybe in the '90s.

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Callie CurryHost51:20

Do they still exist? No.

Rachel LindsayHost51:22

Rachel LindsayHost51:23

I don't know about, about...

Rachel LindsayHost51:25

But, like, the people that you think of, like Kenya Moore, Miss USA.

Rachel LindsayHost51:30

Vanessa Williams, was she Miss, Miss...

Rachel LindsayHost51:32

Let me get this right.

Rachel LindsayHost51:34

Sh- she was, she was Miss America.

Rachel LindsayHost51:36

She was Miss America.

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Callie CurryHost51:36

Yeah, I think Miss America's bigger.

Rachel LindsayHost51:39

Mm-mm.

Rachel LindsayHost51:40

Miss USA is where the fame, is, like, the known, uh, other than Vanessa Williams.

Rachel LindsayHost51:44

That's what I mean, like, Miss America I think was bigger in '80s, early '90s.

Rachel LindsayHost51:49

Miss USA is, like, more modern.

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Callie CurryHost51:53

What?

Rachel LindsayHost51:54

Name, name pageant people.

Rachel LindsayHost51:55

Name, name famous people from-

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Callie CurryHost51:57

I don't know pageant people.

Rachel LindsayHost51:58

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost51:58

I couldn't name one.

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Callie CurryHost52:00

The only person I could think of is, I wouldn't have even said Kenya 'til you said it.

Rachel LindsayHost52:04

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost52:05

But only Kenya because she's a housewife.

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Callie CurryHost52:07

Like-

Rachel LindsayHost52:08

But Miss USA is what goes to Miss Universe.

Rachel LindsayHost52:12

That's why I th- I say Miss USA is a bigger one.

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Callie CurryHost52:15

But Miss America is Miss Universe.

Rachel LindsayHost52:19

No.

Rachel LindsayHost52:19

Who said that?

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Callie CurryHost52:21

Isn't it?

Rachel LindsayHost52:23

No, you-

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Callie CurryHost52:23

Oh, Miss America doesn't go-

Rachel LindsayHost52:24

It's a whole nother pageant

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Callie CurryHost52:25

...

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Callie CurryHost52:25

Miss America doesn't go and compete against the other Miss Chinas?

Rachel LindsayHost52:31

That's Miss Universe, and that's g- Miss, whoever wins Miss USA-

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Callie CurryHost52:36

Okay

Rachel LindsayHost52:36

... goes to Miss Universe.

Rachel LindsayHost52:37

That's why-

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Callie CurryHost52:38

Okay, okay

Rachel LindsayHost52:38

...

Rachel LindsayHost52:38

I was saying.

Rachel LindsayHost52:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost52:41

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost52:41

Okay.

Rachel LindsayHost52:42

[laughs] Look at us in the-

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Callie CurryHost52:43

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost52:43

Clearly we ain't a pageant world.

Rachel LindsayHost52:46

But Miss America, I feel like, 'cause it's like, "There she is, Miss Ameri-," and that's a song.

Rachel LindsayHost52:51

Like, I feel like that's tied to Miss America.

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Callie CurryHost52:53

Girl, you know way more about pageant stuff than I do, clearly.

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Callie CurryHost52:57

Um, okay, Richard Ashton just wrote-

Rachel LindsayHost52:58

Okay, when I was little-

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Callie CurryHost52:59

"Miss USA generally carries higher global prestige because the winner advances to the Miss Universe pageant."

Rachel LindsayHost53:05

See?

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Callie CurryHost53:05

"While Miss America is a localized scholarship program." Damn, not being, not being the, the one sentence of Miss America is a local, uh, localized scholarship program?

Rachel LindsayHost53:14

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost53:15

It's bigger than a localized scholarship program.

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Callie CurryHost53:18

That statement just made Miss America look like Make-A-Wish.

Rachel LindsayHost53:21

Well, from what I remember, okay, there was a time where I wanted to be a pageant girl.

Rachel LindsayHost53:26

There was a time.

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Callie CurryHost53:26

I can see it.

Rachel LindsayHost53:28

Can you really?

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Callie CurryHost53:29

You're very passionate about Miss- Miss USA right now.

Rachel LindsayHost53:32

Because I, there was a time where I wanted to be a pageant girl.

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Callie CurryHost53:35

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost53:35

When I was a kid, my uncle, Papa Joe, always used to, when I was a kid, used to call me Miss America.

Rachel LindsayHost53:44

He'd be like, "There she is, little Miss America."

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Callie CurryHost53:46

Mm.

Rachel LindsayHost53:47

And I guess I, like, really was like, "I, I, I'm gonna be Miss America." Like, it was, like, a thing for me.

Rachel LindsayHost53:54

But I was never really, I was never in a pageant.

Rachel LindsayHost53:56

I was in a pageant in college because I wanted the money, and so I was Miss Alpha Phi Alpha.

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Callie CurryHost54:01

Did you win?

Rachel LindsayHost54:02

Miss Black and Gold.

Rachel LindsayHost54:03

Yeah, of course.

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Callie CurryHost54:04

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost54:04

Are you kidding? [laughs]

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Callie CurryHost54:06

Uh, duh.

Rachel LindsayHost54:07

Are you kidding? It was Miss Alpha, which I was gonna play the piano, and then I was like, "Oh, no, people do that." So instead, since it was Alpha and Dr.

Rachel LindsayHost54:17

Martin Luther King Jr. was an Alpha, I decided to say the I Have a Dream speech, because I know it, and my mom used to make me go say it around churches during Black History Month.

Rachel LindsayHost54:29

And I had the March on Washington behind me, and I dressed like him, and I said it together with him.

Rachel LindsayHost54:37

At the start, this is so good, I'm sorry.

Rachel LindsayHost54:39

[laughs] I'm gonna keep patting myself on the back for this.

Rachel LindsayHost54:42

And then it faded out, and then at the end when it's like, "And when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city," he came back in and we said it together.

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Callie CurryHost54:51

together.Mm.

Rachel LindsayHost54:53

It was very powerful.

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Callie CurryHost54:54

Do you have this on video?

Rachel LindsayHost54:56

Sadly, no.

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Callie CurryHost54:56

Mm.

Rachel LindsayHost54:57

These are before...

Rachel LindsayHost54:57

This is, this is, this is-

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Callie CurryHost54:58

Before smartphones

Rachel LindsayHost54:59

...

Rachel LindsayHost55:00

the early 2000s.

Rachel LindsayHost55:00

I'm sure it's on a CD somewhere, I just don't have it.

Rachel LindsayHost55:03

And I knew, and it was at that moment that I knew I won.

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Callie CurryHost55:07

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost55:07

But I just wanted it for the money.

Rachel LindsayHost55:09

Sorry, sorry to the Alphas out there, but-

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Callie CurryHost55:10

I'm, I'm happy that MLK could win that money for you.

Rachel LindsayHost55:13

Thank, thank you so, thank you so much.

Rachel LindsayHost55:15

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost55:15

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost55:16

That I used him for the money.

Rachel LindsayHost55:18

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost55:18

That, that, that's what he, that's what he dreamed of.

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Callie CurryHost55:20

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost55:20

But, but what I was gonna say about Miss America is from what I recall from my days that I was really into pageants-

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Callie CurryHost55:28

Your brief pageant days

Rachel LindsayHost55:30

...

Rachel LindsayHost55:30

they are more involved with, like, community service-

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Callie CurryHost55:34

Mm

Rachel LindsayHost55:34

... with, like-

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Callie CurryHost55:36

Impact?

Rachel LindsayHost55:38

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost55:38

It's, it's har- like, I don't even wanna say it.

Rachel LindsayHost55:41

It's gonna sound bad.

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Callie CurryHost55:43

Okay.

Rachel LindsayHost55:43

It's just gonna sound bad.

Rachel LindsayHost55:44

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost55:44

Well-

Rachel LindsayHost55:44

Use Ashley's def- use Ashley's definition.

Rachel LindsayHost55:47

Use Ashley's definition.

Rachel LindsayHost55:48

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost55:48

Well, Nia was Miss USA, so was Kenya, and, um, she did speak out against Trump, and I just didn't see that, didn't see that coming.

Rachel LindsayHost55:57

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost55:58

Like, Olivia Culpo, Miss USA.

Rachel LindsayHost56:01

Like, these, these are the...

Rachel LindsayHost56:04

Cheslie, Miss USA.

Rachel LindsayHost56:06

These are-

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Callie CurryHost56:08

Okay.

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Callie CurryHost56:09

Congratulations to all our Miss USA-

Rachel LindsayHost56:11

Do you know who Olivia Culpo is?

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Callie CurryHost56:13

Yeah, I just didn't know she was Miss USA.

Rachel LindsayHost56:16

That's how she got famous.

Rachel LindsayHost56:18

Miss, she was Miss Universe, actually.

Rachel LindsayHost56:21

That's how...

Rachel LindsayHost56:21

This is just a pop culture thing, and then she dated famous people, and that's like-

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Callie CurryHost56:26

Yes

Rachel LindsayHost56:26

...

Rachel LindsayHost56:26

but that's what put her on-

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Callie CurryHost56:27

I knew that stuff

Rachel LindsayHost56:27

... because she won Miss Universe.

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Callie CurryHost56:29

Mm.

Rachel LindsayHost56:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost56:30

Well, she looks like a Miss Universe.

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Callie CurryHost56:32

She's very pretty.

Rachel LindsayHost56:34

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost56:35

So-

Rachel LindsayHost56:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost56:37

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost56:37

Um, okay, so we went down a tangent, 'cause we gotta get to In the City.

Pivot to In The City56:41 – 56:54

Rachel LindsayHost56:41

Um.

Rachel LindsayHost56:41

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost56:41

Yes.

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Callie CurryHost56:42

Let's get to In the City.

Rachel LindsayHost56:43

Let's get to In the City, because Callie for some reason thinks that, um, we might have a difference of opinion here.

Rachel LindsayHost56:50

I mean, this all comes down to they go on a trip, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

In The City – Room Selection & the ‘Mom Card’ Fight56:55 – 1:21:34

Rachel LindsayHost56:55

They go play paintball, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Rachel LindsayHost56:57

They get to the house, and there's a room disagreement.

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Callie CurryHost57:04

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost57:04

And now-

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Callie CurryHost57:05

The two main things of this episode are the rooming situation and Kyle, Amanda at the very, very end.

Rachel LindsayHost57:12

And Kyle and Amanda at the end, yes.

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Callie CurryHost57:14

The rooming situation, it was weird because Kenny did say two different things to two, two different groups of people, but-

Rachel LindsayHost57:23

Did we see that, or did, are we going by what Georgina tells us on social?

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Callie CurryHost57:29

Just on social.

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Callie CurryHost57:30

I didn't see it.

Rachel LindsayHost57:31

So what we see is that Kenny wants to give the, let Yvonne and Nick have their pick because their, their-

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Callie CurryHost57:39

Quote unquote honeymoon

Rachel LindsayHost57:39

... wedding dinner was ruined.

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Callie CurryHost57:40

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost57:41

And Georgina comes on social, if, for, if you did not see it, and Georgina comes on and says, "Well, Kenny told Lindsay," which right there I'll say lets me know Georgina didn't hear it.

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Callie CurryHost57:53

Mm.

Rachel LindsayHost57:54

It's sounds like it was relayed to her from Lindsay, so just, just let's just be clear about that.

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Callie CurryHost57:58

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost58:00

But she says Georgi- she says Kenny told Lindsay that she could have the room, the first pick of the room.

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Callie CurryHost58:08

Yeah, I guess.

Rachel LindsayHost58:09

Which why would Kenny just tell Lindsay that? I don't know.

Rachel LindsayHost58:11

Why would he randomly tell her that?

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Callie CurryHost58:12

Well, 'cause they were supposed to be planning the trip together, so maybe-

Rachel LindsayHost58:15

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost58:15

...

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Callie CurryHost58:15

he was just like-

Rachel LindsayHost58:16

But why would he say-

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Callie CurryHost58:16

... you can have the, you could have the first room

Rachel LindsayHost58:17

... you and I get-

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Callie CurryHost58:17

I don't care.

Rachel LindsayHost58:18

I, that don't, it doesn't even make sense to me.

Rachel LindsayHost58:20

Why would he just be like, "You know what, Lindsay?" It's not like Kenny's been on these shows before.

Rachel LindsayHost58:24

It's not like he's been or watches-

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Callie CurryHost58:26

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost58:26

...

Rachel LindsayHost58:26

Housewives-

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Callie CurryHost58:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Rachel LindsayHost58:26

... where he knows it's a thing.

Rachel LindsayHost58:27

It doesn't even, that doesn't even make sense.

Rachel LindsayHost58:28

But yes, so Kenny tells Yvonne and Nick this.

Rachel LindsayHost58:32

They're in a car together.

Rachel LindsayHost58:34

Lindsay and Georgina are not privy to this conversation.

Rachel LindsayHost58:36

They get in the house, and they're like, "We want this room" or, "We get, we get the first pick because we are working moms."

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Callie CurryHost58:45

All right.

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Callie CurryHost58:45

Well, first of all, Georgina just went up, straight up went and got the room.

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Callie CurryHost58:50

No one was even around.

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Callie CurryHost58:51

No one was even looking for rooms.

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Callie CurryHost58:52

She was just like, "Let me go s- look out for all the rooms and pick which one we, which one we want." She picked the master, put their stuff down, and was like, "Let's go put our stuff down so there's no arguments," basically.

Rachel LindsayHost59:03

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost59:04

They were unaware of the Kenny conversation.

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Callie CurryHost59:06

Then Kenny comes and tells them, and Lindsay's kind of like, "Uh, no." I feel like the room, the actual room situation should've been handled as a group, and they just decide who gets the rooms and that's it.

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Callie CurryHost59:26

I don't think that Lindsay automatically gets the room because her and Georgina are the mothers.

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Callie CurryHost59:34

So I don't agree with that.

Rachel LindsayHost59:36

Uh-huh.

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Callie CurryHost59:37

But I completely disagree with what Whitney said, and I'm like, Whitney, I ain't heard your voice all season, and I've been giving you the benefit of the doubt because I love Kenny and because Rachel loves you.

Rachel LindsayHost59:53

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost59:53

And the first time that we wanna see you stand up for yourself is by saying she can't play the mom card? I'ma let y'all know right now, it's not my fault that the kid card is in my deck of hands and that it's a joker.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:10

But I will play it every fucking time I can.

Rachel LindsayHost1:00:13

You will.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:14

I have no problem playing the kid card.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:17

If I am leaving my kids...

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Callie CurryHost1:00:20

I, I think I've talked about this, like, on girls trips and stuff.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:23

If I am leaving my kids to go on a trip, I don't wanna share a room.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:28

I share a room every fucking day at home.

Rachel LindsayHost1:00:30

Yeah, that's obvious.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:31

I share a room with my husband and my kids.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:33

My kids are in my bed by 4:00 AM.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:36

To have a bed without that or to have a full night's sleep is something that just doesn't happen.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:43

So yeah, if I have the opportunity to have that, I'm going to take it every single time.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:48

That doesn't make me better than anyone else.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:51

That doesn't make me what...

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Callie CurryHost1:00:51

That's why I think the room situation should've been handled as a group.

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Callie CurryHost1:00:55

But Whitney being like, "She keeps playing the mom card," yeah, 'cause she has a kid

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:00

kidOkay, so I agree with you actually.

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:04

I think it's a good point.

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:05

Not that part.

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:06

I agree with you about the room thing.

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Callie CurryHost1:01:08

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:09

It would've avoided a lot of confusion, but again, this is reality TV.

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Callie CurryHost1:01:13

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:14

It would've avoided a lot of confusion if once they got there, Kenny was like, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey," and then said it in front of everybody, "I think we should give Nick and Yvonne the room-

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Callie CurryHost1:01:24

Yes, that's what they should've done

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:25

... because of this." But I also understand you're driving with someone and you're like, "Hey, you know what? You guys should have the room.

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:32

Let's..." Like, and then I understand-

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Callie CurryHost1:01:34

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:34

... how that could happen.

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Callie CurryHost1:01:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:35

But you're right.

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:36

It, it, it would've been better for the group 'cause then-

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Callie CurryHost1:01:37

I'm not even mad at Kenny for saying it in the car.

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Callie CurryHost1:01:39

I just feel like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:41

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost1:01:41

...

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Callie CurryHost1:01:41

it wasn't relayed to everyone, so they went and picked their room.

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Callie CurryHost1:01:44

And then for Whitney to get so upset about it, and be like, "She's playing the mom card again." And what Lexi said-

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:51

Well-

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Callie CurryHost1:01:51

... to Whitney, she was like, "I haven't even heard her play the mom card that much."

Rachel LindsayHost1:01:56

I-

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Callie CurryHost1:01:56

And Whitney was like, "Really?" I'm like, Whitney, how many times have you talked to Lindsay? How many times did she play the mom card?

Rachel LindsayHost1:02:02

I think that she's, Whitney's conflating two different things, and that's where it's the problem.

Rachel LindsayHost1:02:06

I think that she has watched Lindsay bulldoze over situations, or like assert herself, whether it's yelling at a table, whether it's yelling at her man, whether it's her friendship with Danielle, whether it's, you know, her friendship with Yvonne.

Rachel LindsayHost1:02:23

And this was a situation where she was again being like, "We're taking the room." That is separate from single mom.

Rachel LindsayHost1:02:30

So I think Whitney is witnessing that, 'cause she doesn't know these people.

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Callie CurryHost1:02:34

Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:02:34

So these, these are her impressions of Lindsay.

Rachel LindsayHost1:02:37

And then she heard w- Lindsay in this moment say, "We are work- we are moms.

Rachel LindsayHost1:02:43

We're taking it." And then she took what she's witnessed from Wi- uh, Lindsay as her behavior, and then took that reas- her just saying the moms thing, and put it together, and that's where it's wrong.

Rachel LindsayHost1:02:55

She goes on, as we see in the conversation with Lexi, to explain like, "And don't get me wrong, I think she's a good mother," and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:02

Lexi takes the situation, 'cause this is Lexi's only role on the show.

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:06

She did it with the, the spark conversation, and now she's doing it with the single moms.

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Callie CurryHost1:03:12

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:13

Her role is to just be-

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Callie CurryHost1:03:14

The liaison

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:15

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:15

the person who relays-

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Callie CurryHost1:03:16

Mm-hmm

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:16

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:16

the information, which I'll say the same thing to Lexi like I say about Gavin.

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:21

What's going on with you? Who other than them trying to fucking have a baby, I don't know anything about Lexi.

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Callie CurryHost1:03:30

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:31

Andrea we know because we saw them on Summer House.

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Callie CurryHost1:03:33

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:03:33

But I think Whitney was wrong in bring- putting those two things together, because her point could've been made better if she's like, "I'm tired of Lindsay just like always just like big, like, like asserting herself or like taking up all the energy or sucking up all the air in the room." But she said it through the single mom, and that's all people are gonna hear.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:00

1,000,000%.

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:00

And that's where...

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:01

And, and, and that's the thing.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:03

That would activate me.

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:03

Now, now to your point though, you do admit it's a card, and it's a card she played.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:07

Oh, it's absolutely a card.

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:08

So she's not wrong in saying-

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Callie CurryHost1:04:10

But I think it's a joker

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:10

... that there is a card 'cause it's a...

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:13

So there is a card that you, that she is playing.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:15

100% a card, and, and I would say moms-

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:17

So Whitney's not wrong in that

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Callie CurryHost1:04:17

... would admit that they use it all the time.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:19

I would admit that I think that, not even moms, parents.

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:22

Yeah, so she's not wrong.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:22

I think parents use it all the time for anything.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:24

I'm late, wanna know why?

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:26

So she's not wrong in that sense.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:28

No.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:28

No, no, no, I don't think she's wrong.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:29

I also thought her bringing up her having a nanny, not something I'd wanna step in if I was Whitney.

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:36

That's, that's problematic because, because you don't have children, you assume that, oh, if it has a nanny, that makes somebody's life so much easier.

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Callie CurryHost1:04:47

Yes.

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:47

That's where I wouldn't say that because I don't know how, how often do you have your nanny? I don't know what your nanny does.

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:55

I just, like that's...

Rachel LindsayHost1:04:56

You can't speak on that if you're not, if you don't have a ch- have children.

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Callie CurryHost1:05:00

Well-

Rachel LindsayHost1:05:00

You're assuming

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Callie CurryHost1:05:01

...

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Callie CurryHost1:05:01

even if you have children, I don't think that you should be talking about anyone else's childcare, and-

Rachel LindsayHost1:05:05

I agree

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Callie CurryHost1:05:06

... obviously, um, and her being like, "There's moms that do it without a nanny." 1,000,000% there is moms that do it without nanny, without a nanny, and I don't think that Lindsay is trying to be like, "I'm more tired than every other mom." I've never heard that.

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Callie CurryHost1:05:21

I don't even hear Lindsay really complaining about being a single mom.

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Callie CurryHost1:05:27

Lindsay complains about being a mom, which most moms do.

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Callie CurryHost1:05:31

It is so much-

Rachel LindsayHost1:05:32

Yeah, she complains about being a mom, yeah

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Callie CurryHost1:05:33

... work.

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Callie CurryHost1:05:34

And even Georgina point, points that out.

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Callie CurryHost1:05:35

She's like, "I don't think I've ever complained about being a single mom.

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Callie CurryHost1:05:38

I think I complain, and about my kids and make fun of them 'cause like that is just...

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Callie CurryHost1:05:43

It takes up so much of our lives that that's what peop- that's what parents do." And I, I will admit-

Rachel LindsayHost1:05:48

Let me ask you

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Callie CurryHost1:05:48

... it's annoying when I'm in a conversation with people and we're talking about our kids, and I know there's people without kids at the table, and I'm like, "This is not like ideal for everyone," like if everyone's talking about kids and there's people that don't have kids.

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Callie CurryHost1:06:01

I get that.

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Callie CurryHost1:06:03

Um, but fortunately, f- unfortunately it does take up a good amount of our brain space, and I can imagine as a single mom it probably takes up even more of your brain space 'cause you're handling everything.

Rachel LindsayHost1:06:17

Would it have landed differently for you if she just said she plays the mom card?

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Callie CurryHost1:06:22

Coming from Whitney? Probably.

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Callie CurryHost1:06:25

Only because I've literally not heard her speak most of the season.

Rachel LindsayHost1:06:28

But so g- here's my confusion.

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Callie CurryHost1:06:31

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:06:31

'Cause I'm like if... 'Cause Lindsay even was like, "I didn't say single moms.

Rachel LindsayHost1:06:36

I said working moms." And Georgina's like, "I don't complain about, um, being a single mom.

Rachel LindsayHost1:06:44

I'm like talk about like the, the, you know, like the s- how tired or the struggles of being-

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Callie CurryHost1:06:50

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost1:06:50

... a mom."

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Callie CurryHost1:06:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:06:51

But I have a feeling, and you admit that you play a mom card, and I'm not saying it's wrong.

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Callie CurryHost1:06:56

1,000,000%.

Rachel LindsayHost1:06:56

You're just like-

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Callie CurryHost1:06:57

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost1:06:57

... like, 'cause like if I was on a trip, I would understand that.

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:00

I'd be like, "Give the mom the room." I would say that 100%.

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:03

I have a lot of mom friends, and I actually Don't mind when I'm at dinner with like all my mom friends when they talk about their kids.

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:10

I like, because they're my friends, I like hearing about their children in their lives.

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Callie CurryHost1:07:13

Yes.

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Callie CurryHost1:07:13

Yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:13

But you admit that there's a card.

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:16

So that's why I'm like, if Whitney had said, "Well, she's playing the mom card," would it have been different? If I had said that, would it have been different if it's the not-

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Callie CurryHost1:07:27

Oh, yes

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:27

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:27

if it's the truth?

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Callie CurryHost1:07:29

I think-

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:29

If it's the truth

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Callie CurryHost1:07:29

...

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Callie CurryHost1:07:29

it would be different if it was someone else other than Whitney.

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Callie CurryHost1:07:31

It bothers me that it's like the one thing I've heard Whitney say all season.

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:33

'Cause that's the only thing you've heard her say.

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Callie CurryHost1:07:35

Yes.

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:35

Okay.

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Callie CurryHost1:07:35

But also it was how she said it.

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Callie CurryHost1:07:38

Like, W- it felt like Whitney was kind of being like, they think they're more tired than us because they're moms, and they're playing the mom card, and she has a nanny.

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Callie CurryHost1:07:49

So like how tiring-

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:50

Yeah, it did come across like that

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Callie CurryHost1:07:51

... how tiring could it be? And I'm just like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:07:54

It came across like that

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Callie CurryHost1:07:54

...

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Callie CurryHost1:07:56

I just don't think, and I think like w- uh, Lindsay responding and being like, "You're tired from your Pilates?" Like that's not great.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:03

Like we don't know what Whitney's day-to-day looks like.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:05

I don't know, you know better than anyone.

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:07

Yeah, that was tough.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:07

Does she have, does she have a job? I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:11

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:11

She's a co- she has the same job as, as Lindsay, other than mom.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:14

Oh, I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:14

I'm-

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:15

I'm not, I'm not s- I'm not-

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Callie CurryHost1:08:17

I wasn't saying this-

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:17

Whitney never says anything.

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:18

Moms ter- mom-

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Callie CurryHost1:08:19

I wasn't saying that as a dig.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:20

I was like, I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:20

We don't know much about Whitney.

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:21

No, no. I'm telling you.

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:22

No, like, and I don't wanna make it seem like being a m- a mom is a full-time job.

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:26

That is not what I'm saying.

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:27

I'm saying she is a content creator.

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:30

Like, um, Lindsay is now a content creator.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:34

Got it.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:34

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:35

But Lindsay has more than one job, 'cause she's a mom.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:37

Yes.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:38

Um, so her minimizing her tiredness to just Pilates, I was just like, okay, like we, I don't know what Whitney's day-to-day looks like.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:48

Also, I would say it's not just being a mom.

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Callie CurryHost1:08:50

I think being a caretaker in any form to another human-

Rachel LindsayHost1:08:55

Oh, for sure

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Callie CurryHost1:08:55

... is another level of tired that you cannot understand if you have never done it.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:00

Before I was a mom, I had a job where I had to work 6:00 AM to 11:00 PM every night, or every day for th- for, for three months.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:08

It was just like part of the job, you had to do it in order to elevate.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:11

And I was exhausted.

Rachel LindsayHost1:09:14

For sure.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:15

It's not even close.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:16

It's not even close to how exhausted you are as a mom.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:21

But did I understand that before I became a mom? No.

Rachel LindsayHost1:09:24

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:25

So I think it's really hard, and there's a million other things that like you can't know unless you experience it.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:30

Um, and I just think being a caretaker to a human is one of them.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:34

Whether you're a mom or you're taking care of a parent or you're taking care of a sibling, brother, whatever, even like nurses to a, a deg- where they're taking care of people all day.

Rachel LindsayHost1:09:43

Well-

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Callie CurryHost1:09:43

I just think it's a different thing.

Rachel LindsayHost1:09:45

And I would also imagine too that even if you have a nanny or a parent that helps you out or a, a, you know, like a sister, whatever-

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Callie CurryHost1:09:55

Oh, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:09:56

'Cause she said she had a nanny-

Rachel LindsayHost1:09:57

There's-

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Callie CurryHost1:09:57

... she had friends, and she had, uh, family

Rachel LindsayHost1:09:59

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:09:59

there is the worry.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:01

Like that-

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Callie CurryHost1:10:02

Constant

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:02

... is one of my biggest fears of being a mom is how I will always be worrying about my child, even if they're not in my presence.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:12

School, daycare, grandparent-

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Callie CurryHost1:10:14

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:14

... whatever.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:14

And that is a whole nother level of mental exhaustion.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:19

But I agree with you, 'cause everybody's gonna say that I'm biased, and I've, of course I am.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:23

You're 100% right.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:26

It came, it came across like you've got all these things, you know, like you can't be that tired.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:34

Single moms have it so much.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:35

And, and, and that is a lack of understanding as somebody who's not a mom.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:39

And so I-

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Callie CurryHost1:10:39

Also, the editors-

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:40

... can agree that that came out that, off that way

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Callie CurryHost1:10:41

... it's definitely messy, 'cause they flipped straight from that to a little scene with her and Kenny, and Kenny goes, "Are you tired?" And Whitney's like, "I am a little tired." And I was just like, the, the, they know what they're doing right now.

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:54

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:10:55

They know what they're doing right now.

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Callie CurryHost1:10:58

Um, but-

Rachel LindsayHost1:10:59

Oh, that's-

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Callie CurryHost1:11:00

I know Lindsay thinks we don't like her.

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Callie CurryHost1:11:03

Um, but, uh, I was-

Rachel LindsayHost1:11:05

Does she think that?

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Callie CurryHost1:11:06

Well, I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost1:11:07

I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost1:11:07

She was in our-

Rachel LindsayHost1:11:08

She don't listen to the podcast, 'cause we always say she's great TV.

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Callie CurryHost1:11:10

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:11:11

So she was in our comment sec- section.

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Callie CurryHost1:11:13

But, um, watching this episode, I was like, "I agree with Lindsay." And it might be because I'm a mom, so maybe I'm biased, but I've completely agreed with her this episode.

Rachel LindsayHost1:11:25

But I, if the r- if it was relayed to me in the way that Lexi did, I'd be pissed off too.

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Callie CurryHost1:11:31

I don't think Lexi said anything that wasn't true.

Rachel LindsayHost1:11:34

Sh, no. Lexi said the truth.

Rachel LindsayHost1:11:37

Lexi didn't say the whole conversation, right? So like if I came to you-

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Callie CurryHost1:11:41

But what, what did Lexi leave out?

Rachel LindsayHost1:11:43

That she said you're a good mom.

Rachel LindsayHost1:11:44

Like she acknowledged your, like th- here's the thing.

Rachel LindsayHost1:11:46

This is how it would've happened, right? If I was being messy, wait, wait, wait.

Rachel LindsayHost1:11:49

If I was being messy, I would say, "Callie," um, well, however it came up, right? Like, and she said, "You're playing the single mom card." You start getting upset, like, "What? What? Whatever?" I'm like, and I might be like, "No, she also said you're a good mother.

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:04

She just said this, this, this, and this." That's probably what I would do.

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:08

It probably would've, the damage would already be done.

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Callie CurryHost1:12:10

Well-

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:11

But that's probably...

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:11

And she might have.

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:12

Shit, it could've been edited out, who knows?

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Callie CurryHost1:12:13

I wouldn't have been mad about the single mom card.

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Callie CurryHost1:12:16

I mean, maybe Lindsay would've been offended by just that.

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Callie CurryHost1:12:19

It was the-

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:20

She was

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Callie CurryHost1:12:22

...

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Callie CurryHost1:12:22

but no, but then she also said, and she said, like, "You have a nanny."

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:28

"You have a nanny."

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Callie CurryHost1:12:28

The nanny thing, and like s- that is what I'm like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:32

Fair

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Callie CurryHost1:12:32

... you just have-

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:33

Fair

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Callie CurryHost1:12:33

... she doesn't have a nanny for no reason.

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Callie CurryHost1:12:36

She has a nanny so that she can pay her bills.

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:38

Fair.

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:38

I actually, I can't, I can't, I can't, [laughs] I can't argue against it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:42

I keep forgetting about the nanny comment.

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Callie CurryHost1:12:43

So yeah, so I feel like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:44

The nanny, the nanny, the friends.

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:46

You're right.

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Callie CurryHost1:12:46

I feel like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:12:46

You're right, you're right

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Callie CurryHost1:12:46

...

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Callie CurryHost1:12:46

the entire conversation, like me watching it, I would've still been offended if I was Lindsay.

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Callie CurryHost1:12:52

Now could have Lexi thrown in that she said, "I'm not saying she's not a good mom"? Uh, maybe that would've softened it a little bit, but I still would've been pissed.

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:02

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:03

No, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:03

I mean, I, I also, I do feel like if you're, if we're gonna be like Lindsay m- L- Whitney never says anything and this is what she says, it's also like- Neither does Lexi.

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:14

But that's me being defensive for my friend.

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:16

That's just me being defensive.

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:17

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:13:17

Uh, I don't think, I don't think Lex- I don't think Lexi says much either.

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Callie CurryHost1:13:20

But, uh-

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:20

That's just me being defensive

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Callie CurryHost1:13:21

...

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Callie CurryHost1:13:21

but Lexi didn't offend anyone, um, with what she said.

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:25

No, because she doesn't say anything.

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:27

At least-

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Callie CurryHost1:13:27

She did say to Whitney, which I was like, okay, Lexi, Lexi being like, "I've ne- I haven't heard her play the single mom card." And-

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:34

'Cause she's scared of Lindsay

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Callie CurryHost1:13:36

... and Whitney was like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:36

That's why she ran...

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:37

If you wanna be honest, that's why she ran back and told Lindsay, 'cause she's like, "If this plays, I don't want Lindsay coming back at me.

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:45

I don't want it to be like you just sat there and you just..." I mean, I think she, I believe she believes what she said, but I think she was motivated to tell Lindsay 'cause she's like, "I don't want Lindsay...

Rachel LindsayHost1:13:55

I don't wanna be on Lindsay's bad side."

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Callie CurryHost1:13:58

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:13:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:13:59

Which there's nothing good that was gonna come from sharing that information.

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:03

No.

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:04

But Lexi w- it is called self-preservation.

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:07

Now, I agree with you, Lindsay was warranted in that moment to feel how she feels, and we'll see it all play out next week in the finale.

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Callie CurryHost1:14:15

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:16

But Lindsay in that conversation with Yvonne, you made the comment where you're like, "Lindsay thinks we don't like her." I don't dislike Lindsay.

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:25

I think Lindsay is great TV, but from what I've seen on TV, we could never be friends.

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Callie CurryHost1:14:34

[laughs] Well-

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:34

That conversation with Yvonne was-

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Callie CurryHost1:14:38

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:38

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:38

I just, I don't know.

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:39

I just keep thinking the type of friend that I am, I can be a, an aloof friend because I beta and I get caught up in my own world, but if my friend needs me, if my friend is hurting, if my, if I did anything to cause my friend pain, I am falling on the sword.

Rachel LindsayHost1:14:58

I'm a Taurus.

Rachel LindsayHost1:15:00

I am lo- how did I hurt you? Like, you are...

Rachel LindsayHost1:15:03

I, I just was so frustrated watching that conversation.

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Callie CurryHost1:15:07

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:15:09

It took too long to get to, to, to, to, to get to the apology, for me.

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Callie CurryHost1:15:15

I don't disagree with most of it.

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Callie CurryHost1:15:18

The only other layer I would put into it is I personally wouldn't care that much that this was your fourth wedding to the same person.

Rachel LindsayHost1:15:30

For sure.

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Callie CurryHost1:15:31

So, like, the basis of it all being like, "This was on my wedding day," kind of like, you've had 19 weddings.

Rachel LindsayHost1:15:41

Well, what if she didn't say that? What if it's just like, "This was my event"? It's like the wedding thing is...

Rachel LindsayHost1:15:46

That's what bothered me, 'cause Lindsay kept saying, "I've been to all your stuff." But it was her event, and she ruined it.

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Callie CurryHost1:15:51

It wasn't, like, a public event that, like, affects her career.

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Callie CurryHost1:15:55

She was throwing an event for herself-

Rachel LindsayHost1:15:57

Well, it meant something to her

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Callie CurryHost1:15:57

... a dinner for the show.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:00

It meant something to her.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:01

Remember she's like, I...

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:03

She's like, her, she g- has the vulnerable moment where she's like, "My job was my identity.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:07

I lost my job."

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Callie CurryHost1:16:08

Yes, yes.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:08

This was a moment where I felt connected to it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:12

Lindsay would know that, them being friends for 15 years.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:15

Like, she used, set the wedding, and that gave Lindsay an out to use that as, like, a defense, but I understood where it was like, it meant something to me.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:23

It might mean shit to you, but I, but your friend is telling you it meant something to her, and you hijacked it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:29

You made it about you.

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Callie CurryHost1:16:30

I agree that she hijacked it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:31

Just like she made the apology about her too.

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Callie CurryHost1:16:33

I agree that she hijacked it, and I agree with Yvonne that it seems like most things have to be about Lindsay, like she said, in their friendship.

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Callie CurryHost1:16:42

I agree with that, which, like, that's a hard person to be friends with.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:47

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost1:16:48

Um, but, like, I just don't think the event was that big of a deal.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:56

For you.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:57

And I get it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:16:58

It wouldn't have been for me.

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:00

I just, I don't value...

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:03

I wouldn't value all of, like-

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Callie CurryHost1:17:05

But there's-

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:05

... do all that

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Callie CurryHost1:17:05

...

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Callie CurryHost1:17:06

it, I feel like if we're actually talking about it, like, if we're actually being real-

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:10

Mm-hmm

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Callie CurryHost1:17:10

...

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Callie CurryHost1:17:10

I'd be like, "Yvonne, you threw an event for the TV show, for the people of the TV show.

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Callie CurryHost1:17:16

I've been on TV for a long time, events get ruined.

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Callie CurryHost1:17:19

Most events get ruined, actually."

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:22

I don't know.

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Callie CurryHost1:17:24

So most events-

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:24

I don't know

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Callie CurryHost1:17:24

... get ruined on TV.

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:26

No, no, no, not that part.

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Callie CurryHost1:17:27

Oh, I was like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:27

I'm saying I don't know if...

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:29

No, no, no, you're right.

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Callie CurryHost1:17:30

Like, it wasn't for anything other than the show-

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:32

But-

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Callie CurryHost1:17:32

... being like, oh, throw a dinner.

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Callie CurryHost1:17:34

And you know how these things work.

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Callie CurryHost1:17:36

Like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:36

I know, but if my friend-

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Callie CurryHost1:17:38

...

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Callie CurryHost1:17:39

it couldn't have meant that much to you

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:39

... was upset, I just would've been like, in the same way that that would've been my, like, that you have that sentiment of like, it's not that big of a deal, that's part of the reason I would also just apologize.

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:51

Because I'd be like, "I'm not gonna fight with you over this.

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:54

It's, like, not that big of a deal."

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Callie CurryHost1:17:56

100%.

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:56

"You're hurt.

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:57

I hurt you.

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:58

Not that big of a deal.

Rachel LindsayHost1:17:59

Let me apologize."

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Callie CurryHost1:18:00

There is a layer of, which they can't say on camera, but there is a layer of Lindsay being like, "This is how our TV show does well.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:08

We all just can't sit down and have dinner and talk.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:10

That's not gonna, that's not what, like...

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Callie CurryHost1:18:13

It's just now how this works.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:14

I've been doing this for a very long time."

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:15

But it also works well that Yvonne was offended.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:18

That was a storyline.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:19

Yes, yes.

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:19

It was a drama.

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:20

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:20

But I just feel like the apology's hard 'cause I feel like there's things that Lindsay can't say of like, we have to have disagreements.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:28

There has to be drama.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:30

Like, that is how we continue the show.

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:34

And you know what? If I've been your friend for 15 years, and that's how you have to operate on this show as my friend, I'd have to remove myself from the show.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:44

Well, that's probably why we wouldn't do this type of show.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:47

I was gonna say we wouldn't do reality TV, but...

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:50

Here we are.

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:51

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:18:51

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:52

But-

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Callie CurryHost1:18:53

I'm like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:53

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:18:53

I was on a show where it wasn't about friends

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Callie CurryHost1:18:54

... no, that's what I'm saying.

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Callie CurryHost1:18:55

Like, uh, so random, but someone that's close to me texted me yesterday, and was just like, um, "From one to 10, would you be on a reality show, like, about your life? Zero to 10.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:09

A Charlotte show." And I said, "Zero meaning, like, I don't wanna do it?" And she was like, "Yeah." And I was like, "Probably, like, negative a million."

Rachel LindsayHost1:19:18

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:19:19

She was like, "Really? You wouldn't do it?" And I was just like, "No.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:23

A show about your life?"

Rachel LindsayHost1:19:23

life?"Yeah, I couldn't do that

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Callie CurryHost1:19:25

... exposes your marriage, exposes your children.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:28

And, like, if you're going on it with friends, there's going to be issues in your relationship.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:33

Like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:19:33

Yeah, uh-

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Callie CurryHost1:19:33

... that's what these shows, that's what happens on these shows.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:36

I don't wanna argue with my friends.

Rachel LindsayHost1:19:38

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:38

I don't want people to tell me how I need to argue with my husband or not argue with my husband, or how great he is or how great I am.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:44

And who, like, I don't want people analyzing that.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:46

I don't want my kids overexposed and, like, have to talk about what's happening in their lives when it's not their choice.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:52

Like, that's not what I wanna do.

Rachel LindsayHost1:19:54

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:54

Lindsay's been on reality TV long enough.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:56

Yvonne's been friends with her long enough.

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Callie CurryHost1:19:59

She knows what it is.

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:02

Yes and no.

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:03

I just, I think, I actually think, to your point about the whole this is what we do for the show, this is how it is, this is how it's, it's successful, it makes me realize even more Yvonne did not get, get that memo.

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:18

'Cause, like, I have friends that are on reality TV, and some of them on shows I've never seen, and if I watch it, I might be taken aback at, like-

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Callie CurryHost1:20:31

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:31

... how it is.

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:32

You know what I mean? Like, I don't know if this, this world is for Yvonne.

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:36

Like, the more I hear you talk about it, I'm like, you're right in what you're saying, and I'm like, Yvonne, this, their friendship might not survive this show.

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:44

[laughs] It might not survive this show.

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Callie CurryHost1:20:44

I hope that's not the case 'cause they seem like they're, they were best friends or are best friends, so I hope that's not the case.

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Callie CurryHost1:20:50

I hate when I actually see real friends, like, lose friendship because of a TV show.

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:56

Same.

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Callie CurryHost1:20:57

I don't like that.

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:57

Same.

Rachel LindsayHost1:20:58

Ugh, the first was-

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Callie CurryHost1:20:59

Um, and it seems like they are real friends, so I hope that is not the case.

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Callie CurryHost1:21:01

And I think Yvonne is more aware than what we're seeing, and that might be why she has an issue.

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Callie CurryHost1:21:08

'Cause you're right-

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:08

Maybe

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Callie CurryHost1:21:08

...

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Callie CurryHost1:21:09

it is good for her to have an issue with Lindsay for the show.

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Callie CurryHost1:21:12

So-

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:12

Yeah, yeah

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Callie CurryHost1:21:13

...

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Callie CurryHost1:21:13

I'm hoping that that's what it is.

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Callie CurryHost1:21:15

But I'm just saying, like, I agree with Yvonne and her, how her and Lindsay's friendship works, and I think that's a rough friendship.

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Callie CurryHost1:21:22

But she seems to have been fine with it 'cause they've been best friends forever.

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Callie CurryHost1:21:25

Um, and I also understand Lindsay's point of view.

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Callie CurryHost1:21:29

But, um, if I were Lindsay, I would've just apologized.

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:33

Yeah, yeah.

Kyle & Amanda Marriage Meltdown1:21:34 – 1:29:54

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:34

I would too.

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Callie CurryHost1:21:34

I don't think Yvonne did anything for Lindsay to be upset.

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:37

Yeah, same.

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:39

But I've, but she's defensive, and-

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Callie CurryHost1:21:40

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:41

... you know, like, she doesn't deal with criticism well, and that is a character trait-

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Callie CurryHost1:21:46

No

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:46

... of her-

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Callie CurryHost1:21:47

No

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:48

... um, even when it is coming from your friend who's not actually criticizing you, just saying, "You did something to hurt me." Um, okay, bef- before-

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Callie CurryHost1:21:56

Last thing

Rachel LindsayHost1:21:57

... we end this, Kyle getting upset.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:00

We know where we are in real time.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:02

I mean-

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Callie CurryHost1:22:02

Mm

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:02

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:02

this is filming in the fall.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:04

We've already gone through the Summer House of it all.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:07

They've left.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:08

They're separated.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:10

It, I was surprised Danielle took up for Amanda.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:14

But again, we just know so much more than, you know, we took up for Amanda prior to all of this happening.

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Callie CurryHost1:22:22

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:22

It was like Kyle's acting a certain way, so it's not shocking, I guess, Danielle did.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:26

It's just weird to see now what we know.

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:28

It was also interesting to see Gavin and Kenny be like, "But what is Amanda doing?"

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Callie CurryHost1:22:35

I actually-

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:35

But what is?

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Callie CurryHost1:22:36

Now, Gavin, we still don't know anything about you.

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Callie CurryHost1:22:38

But your little pot-stirring, he's doing a good job.

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Callie CurryHost1:22:47

And, um, I really appreciated Gavin being like, "You guys are only hearing one point of view."

Rachel LindsayHost1:22:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:22:55

And I'm happy that Kyle seems to have...

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Callie CurryHost1:22:58

It seems like him and Gavin are actually very close.

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Callie CurryHost1:23:00

And you would know better than I do, but Gavin seems to know what's happening.

Rachel LindsayHost1:23:04

Who, Kenny and Gavin?

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Callie CurryHost1:23:04

No, Gavin and Kyle.

Rachel LindsayHost1:23:06

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:23:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:23:07

Gavin seems to know, like, what's going on in their relationship.

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Callie CurryHost1:23:10

When, when Amanda first moved out, Gavin went to Kyle's house, so it seems like he actually knows what's going on in Kyle's life.

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Callie CurryHost1:23:17

And him being, like, him saying something and Kenny saying something, I feel like they are seeing more than what the Summer House people do, probably 'cause they're actually in the city with them.

Rachel LindsayHost1:23:29

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost1:23:29

No pun.

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Callie CurryHost1:23:30

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost1:23:31

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:23:31

...

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Callie CurryHost1:23:31

but, um, I feel like...

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Callie CurryHost1:23:34

And even Gavin talking to him about headlining Hackathon, Hackathon, like, that's not nothing.

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Callie CurryHost1:23:39

Like, that's a big deal.

Rachel LindsayHost1:23:41

Yeah, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:23:41

And if I'm Kyle, and we're, you wanna move out and live by yourself, like, okay, cool, I need to make money.

Rachel LindsayHost1:23:50

Well, which is what she wants.

Rachel LindsayHost1:23:52

Also, which is adding to their stress, right? Like, is the business gonna stay afloat? I'm fi- I found out another avenue.

Rachel LindsayHost1:23:58

Like, yes, I am sure part of Kyle's thing too is he doesn't have to be at home, but now we know their home situation.

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:04

Yes, he does drink to cope.

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:06

I'm not saying these things are okay.

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:08

These are all issues, but, you know, Owen said it so great.

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:11

Say what you want about Owen, but, like, man, he's like, "If you're bringing up stuff from the past, it's never gonna work," which we've said over and over again.

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:21

Like, Amanda is living in their relationship pre-marriage, and Kyle is living in it post-marriage.

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:27

What did you think about Lindsay saying the thing of, like, "No, he's cheated on her so many times"?

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Callie CurryHost1:24:33

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:24:34

I was like, has he even cheated on her?

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:36

I mean, before the marriage, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:24:38

Yes.

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:38

But-

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Callie CurryHost1:24:39

But-

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:39

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:39

I'm, I h- I hope that that's addressed

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Callie CurryHost1:24:40

...

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Callie CurryHost1:24:40

so many people have said post-marriage that he actually hasn't physically cheated on her.

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Callie CurryHost1:24:45

And even the make-out video, I don't know if I think that even, I don't know if I believe that even exists.

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:51

No, I definitely...

Rachel LindsayHost1:24:52

What, what she's referring to, I definitely don't believe that exists.

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Callie CurryHost1:24:54

Yeah, so I'm just, like, also, making out is bad.

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Callie CurryHost1:24:57

I'm not saying it's not bad.

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Callie CurryHost1:24:58

But if that's the only thing that's happened in a 10-year marriage where you haven't had sex for six of it, and I, I just, that's-

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:06

He did sleep with somebody before they were married.

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Callie CurryHost1:25:08

Yes, I know, but I'm saying-

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:09

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost1:25:09

... how long have they been married, four, five years?

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:11

Four years.

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:12

Four years.

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Callie CurryHost1:25:13

So in the four-year marriage, I need to know, has he actually cheated physically?

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:21

Yeah, they never get specific on it.

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Callie CurryHost1:25:23

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:23

Like, I need somebody to specifically-

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Callie CurryHost1:25:25

I'm like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:25

And I hope Andy did that at the reunion

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Callie CurryHost1:25:26

... reunion, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:27

Ask specifically, 'cause I could've sworn they ha- I could've sworn Kyle has said he hasn't And I think-

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Callie CurryHost1:25:34

Kyle said he hasn't, but that he has been inappropriate in moments.

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Callie CurryHost1:25:38

So I'm like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:39

Got it

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Callie CurryHost1:25:39

... is inappropriate the make-out?

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:42

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost1:25:42

Has he just, like, made out randomly with a few people? Again, not okay.

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Callie CurryHost1:25:47

But the way Amanda acts is that he is just out here in these streets.

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Callie CurryHost1:25:53

And I don't-

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:53

Well, that's why Lindsay's was interesting-

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Callie CurryHost1:25:55

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:55

... what she said.

Rachel LindsayHost1:25:56

Because it was like, oh, well Lindsay, I feel like, would know, and it made it feel like she was saying he's done it-

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Callie CurryHost1:26:05

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:05

I'm just not sure-

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:05

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:05

in the marriage

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Callie CurryHost1:26:05

...

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Callie CurryHost1:26:05

if she's basing that off of Amanda or off of knowing from Kyle.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:10

So I'm-

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:10

Mm

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Callie CurryHost1:26:10

... interested to see how the reunion goes.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:13

Um, I unfortunately did not feel very m- much sympathy for Amanda, and I probably would have if I didn't know everything.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:19

But because of knowing everything, it's hard for me to care.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:22

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:22

Yeah

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Callie CurryHost1:26:23

...

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Callie CurryHost1:26:23

I don't think they're a match.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:24

I don't think Kyle was a great husband.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:26

And I think she probably should've gotten a divorce from him a long time ago.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:31

Actually, I think she probably should've never married him, 'cause their lives were never going-

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:34

She should've never, she should've never married him

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Callie CurryHost1:26:36

... to, um, align.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:37

I also think it's int- well, I guess, I don't know, 'cause her life doesn't align with Wes either, and now she's changed her life to align with Wes.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:43

So I, I don't know.

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:44

Wes, yes.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:45

Um-

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:45

He makes the molds

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Callie CurryHost1:26:46

...

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Callie CurryHost1:26:46

I also thought it was interesting that Gavin was like, "2:45 in New York is not, um, like, a big deal." I agree with Gavin.

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:55

He's not wrong.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:56

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:56

He's not wrong.

Rachel LindsayHost1:26:56

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:26:56

I agree with Gavin.

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Callie CurryHost1:26:57

If, if Kyle is a DJ, I don't think him coming home at 2:45 in the morning is crazy.

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Callie CurryHost1:27:02

Um, but there just should, should've been more communication with Amanda on what's happening, and the fact that Amanda doesn't know that he has these gigs lined up or that he signed with a manager.

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Callie CurryHost1:27:11

But I'm like, you also asked for space and moved out of the apartment.

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Callie CurryHost1:27:14

So, like, I can't under- and, like, didn't even want a room with him on this trip.

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Callie CurryHost1:27:18

I, like, can't understand what Amanda wants.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:21

She wants to be taken care of.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:24

How she w- and when she wants and how, the way that she wants it and how she wants it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:28

Like-

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Callie CurryHost1:27:28

I just don't know at this point-

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:30

... that's really what it comes down to

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Callie CurryHost1:27:30

...

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Callie CurryHost1:27:30

in the marriage if Kyle could do anything right.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:32

No, he can't.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:33

Like, they're done.

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Callie CurryHost1:27:33

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:33

That's why she moved out.

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Callie CurryHost1:27:34

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:34

This is like a soft, like a way to-

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Callie CurryHost1:27:37

Yeah

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:37

... not make it so harsh.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:39

It's like, we're gonna transition into this.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:41

But yeah, I would love, and I, I hope it's not.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:44

We have one more episode left.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:45

It's not gonna happen, but Kenny and Gavin saying, "You don't know that.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:49

She's not doing anything," it's like they're not friends with Amanda at all, so they're getting a totally different perspective, which we never really get.

Rachel LindsayHost1:27:58

'Cause even though-

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Callie CurryHost1:27:58

On Summer House, we never get

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:00

...

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:00

Carl is friends with both of them.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:01

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:02

So he's not-

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Callie CurryHost1:28:02

Well, Carl has hinted at it

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:02

... gonna say anything.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:04

Yeah, Carl has hinted at stuff, but he won't-

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:06

Yeah, but he's gonna protect her.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:07

Yes.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:07

Yeah, he won't go too far.

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:08

They are like, don't care.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:11

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:11

Because they are Kyle's friends.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:12

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:12

And I thought, wow, we haven't really seen that before.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:16

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:16

And that was interesting.

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:18

And even if you say what you want about Kenny, if it had just been Kenny-

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Callie CurryHost1:28:21

Mm

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:21

... people would've been like, "Oh, well Kenny's, you know, comes across as, as this." But it was Gavin too.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:26

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:27

And Gavin's not really...

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:29

I know everybody doesn't know Gavin, but Gavin is so, like, everybody get along, like, a everybody's friend.

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:35

So when he said it, I was like, huh, I wonder what he's been privy to.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:39

Mm-hmm.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:40

I was just gonna say, I feel like this show also gives us more of a perspective, like seeing their apartment and how messy it was.

Rachel LindsayHost1:28:47

Oof.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:48

Um, and even, like, I think it was, like, either last episode or the episode before where they're talking about how Amanda's high all the time.

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Callie CurryHost1:28:55

And it seems like Gavin and Kenny are like, "You're high every day." And she's like, "I'm high every day to go to sleep, and how does that affect our marriage?" And Kyle's like, "Well, if you're high, so high that we nev- never have sex, that does affect the marriage.

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Callie CurryHost1:29:09

Or when I come home and wanna talk and you're so high I can't talk to you, that does affect the marriage."

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:13

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:29:13

Um, I just think getting high and going to sleep sounds so much better than being out till 2:45 in the morning, that it's easy to kinda downplay that versus what Kyle's doing.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:25

I mean, Kyle keeps saying, "We don't talk." I, I believe him.

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Callie CurryHost1:29:29

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:29

And remember on Summer House when he showed their text message chain?

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Callie CurryHost1:29:32

Mm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:32

And it's like she's never responding.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:34

That was the summer.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:35

We're in the fall now.

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Callie CurryHost1:29:36

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:37

It's like, he's not lying.

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Callie CurryHost1:29:39

Mm-mm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:40

And that's the thing.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:40

It's like you're telling me you wanna be with me, but you're totally checked out of the marriage.

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Callie CurryHost1:29:44

Mm-hmm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:45

And he can't let go.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:47

You won't let go.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:49

And this is where we are.

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:51

Um, yeah, so it all goes down next week, and then we get the reunion.

Debuting ‘The Comment Section’1:29:55 – 1:37:24

Rachel LindsayHost1:29:55

Um, real quick, we teased the new segment, the comment section.

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:00

Callie alluded to it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:01

But C- we did a video last week where we were talking about, um, In the City, 'cause we've started talking about it again.

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:09

And we talked about Lindsay, and we were talking about her blowup at the table, and we were saying how, like, you know, I...

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:20

People have been saying she's jealous.

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:22

And, or Danielle kinda said it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:24

Like, "That's what it is," when she points to her.

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:26

And we both are like sh- I, well, I say, "I'm not gonna say she's jealous, but there's something there." And I specifically remember thinking, I'm gonna say not jealous, because I genuinely don't think that she's jealous.

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:42

I just think that there's been so much in their friendship that there's something else that is, that, like, is the issue in there, or some other things.

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:51

And we, you and I talked it out.

Rachel LindsayHost1:30:54

Well, Lindsay, who is chronically online at the moment, could ma- coulda made a nanny joke there.

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:02

But I won't.

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:03

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:31:04

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:04

But I won't.

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:05

Um, chronically online says, which is part of her job, to our video, "This feels like a very immature perspective.

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:14

Like, we're adults, and I don't get jealous of my girlfriends.

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:17

Never have, never will, but sure." And then Callie responded saying, "She said she's not going to say you're jealous, but it seems there are issues that are more deeply rooted than what we're seeing...

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:32

That's an immature take?" Which I, thank you, Callie.

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Callie CurryHost1:31:35

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:35

Thank you, Callie.

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:37

Now, I was going to respond- A hit dog will holler.

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Callie CurryHost1:31:42

Oh, God.

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Callie CurryHost1:31:43

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:44

But I didn't.

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:45

[laughs] But I will say that on this podcast.

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Callie CurryHost1:31:48

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:48

Because, like, I'm sorry, why are you in our comments saying that?

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Callie CurryHost1:31:54

I'm fine with her being in our comments.

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Callie CurryHost1:31:56

I was just like-

Rachel LindsayHost1:31:57

I'm fine with her being in our comments

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Callie CurryHost1:31:57

... you didn't listen to the clip, 'cause she said, "You're not jealous."

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:00

But you did not listen.

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Callie CurryHost1:32:01

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:01

You immediately got defensive, which is why my initial response is, "A hit dog will holler."

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Callie CurryHost1:32:07

Mm.

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:07

Like, you heard it, and you immediately want to be like, "I am not jealous."

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Callie CurryHost1:32:11

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:12

Well, now I'm starting to reconsider what I said, because you were too quick.

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:16

That's why I was gonna be like, "Oh, okay.

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:17

Well, a hit dog will holler." But instead I said, "The same amount of time it took you to write this is the exact same amount of time, if you listen back, that it would take you to realize that's not what I said." And then I said, "But sure," using her words against her.

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:32

And then she replies back, "Took me all of five seconds." So are you telling on yourself?

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Callie CurryHost1:32:40

Yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:41

Like, are you saying you didn't listen? Like, you heard jealous and you stopped? Are you saying it took you five seconds to write it? Either way, you're basically confirming-

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Callie CurryHost1:32:50

You didn't listen to the whole clip

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:51

... that you didn't listen.

Rachel LindsayHost1:32:53

So, like, figure it out.

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Callie CurryHost1:32:56

I welcome discourse in our comments.

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Callie CurryHost1:33:00

I like, I like the discourse in our comments.

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Callie CurryHost1:33:03

Um, Lindsay went on later in the week to talk about being bullied.

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Callie CurryHost1:33:07

I don't think it was about what Rachel said, um, at all.

Rachel LindsayHost1:33:11

No, but people thought that.

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Callie CurryHost1:33:13

Yeah, the people were-

Rachel LindsayHost1:33:13

Which, um, which lets me know-

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Callie CurryHost1:33:14

People were-

Rachel LindsayHost1:33:14

... people listen to our podcast.

Rachel LindsayHost1:33:16

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:33:16

People were, uh, naming, um, Rachel in the pod in the comments.

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Callie CurryHost1:33:21

They were also naming others, like our, uh, close, or I should say, for me anyways, I talk about my girl Queen all the time.

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Callie CurryHost1:33:31

Uh-

Rachel LindsayHost1:33:31

Mm-hmm

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Callie CurryHost1:33:31

...

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Callie CurryHost1:33:31

even though I've never met her, but I love Queens of Bravo.

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Callie CurryHost1:33:34

Uh-

Rachel LindsayHost1:33:34

Mm-hmm

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Callie CurryHost1:33:34

... people were talking about her as well.

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Callie CurryHost1:33:37

And I do find it interesting, because I, I, I would, I would guess that there's a lot more platforms that go against someone like a Danielle or, I know for a fact, I don't need to guess this, a lot of people have gone against West and Amanda, including us-

Rachel LindsayHost1:33:58

Mm-hmm

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Callie CurryHost1:33:58

... and said well beyond-

Rachel LindsayHost1:33:59

Mm-hmm

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Callie CurryHost1:33:59

... comments of the show, and I don't ever hear, uh, Lindsay or anyone talking, uh, about bullying.

Rachel LindsayHost1:34:07

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:07

Um, we've said on this podcast, like, if you're gonna be on reality TV, people are gonna talk about you, and people are going to talk about your behavior.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:14

And that doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but that's part of what you're signing up for when you go on these shows.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:19

Which-

Rachel LindsayHost1:34:20

Mm-hmm

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Callie CurryHost1:34:20

...

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Callie CurryHost1:34:20

I would assume Lindsay is aware of.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:23

I don't want anyone to, like, go into a deep depression.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:26

I don't want anyone to hurt themselves.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:27

I don't think either of us do, to be clear.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:29

And there's a big difference between being like, "We don't agree with their behavior," or, "I don't wanna watch them anymore," or whatever it is that we say, and going and commenting on stuff, "You're the worst.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:41

We hate you.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:42

Uh, KYS." Like, all of that, that's insane behavior.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:46

And now I wish I could talk about you.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:48

There's a difference-

Rachel LindsayHost1:34:49

[laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:34:49

... between talking about the behavior and bullying someone.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:53

I just wanna be clear about that.

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Callie CurryHost1:34:55

I think it's totally fine to have discourse on shows that are on TV that you're getting paid to do, period.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:03

Well said.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:04

Totally agree.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:05

But if you're gonna come in the comments, come correct.

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Callie CurryHost1:35:09

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:09

'Cause I'm not the one, right? Like, I'm not on your show.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:13

I'm not a cast member.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:16

Like, don't insinuate...

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:19

You know, like, if I'm wrong, this, this...

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:21

Let me just say, I'm, I will take constructive criticism.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:24

I grew up in a household that was full of it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:26

So I have been seasoned on being, on taking constructive criticism.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:30

I don't always get it right.

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Callie CurryHost1:35:31

No.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:32

I can be biased.

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Callie CurryHost1:35:32

We just saw you with Gideon and Gilead.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:34

Yes.

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Callie CurryHost1:35:34

You don't always get it right.

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Callie CurryHost1:35:35

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:35

I do not always get it right.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:37

I can be biased.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:38

I will admit it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:39

That's why I was upfront.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:40

I mean, if people didn't know me, know from Bachelor, I was very upfront.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:44

Like, I know Whitney.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:45

Like, I was like, "I'm gonna be biased." But I'll say I'm wrong.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:49

Like, I agree with you on the nanny and stuff comment.

Rachel LindsayHost1:35:52

But, so that's why I'm like, then if you're gonna come, don't... 'Cause, like, what I feel like is when you put a comment in like that, you put something out there that I didn't say.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:04

So now you're allowing people to be like, "Lindsay didn't say she was jealous.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:08

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Like, I, th- but that's not what I said.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:11

This is how things get twisted.

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Callie CurryHost1:36:12

Yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:36:13

There you go.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:13

You're making me question shit on the show for you, too, by the way, because I'm like, you don't listen.

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Callie CurryHost1:36:19

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:19

You either don't listen or you don't understand.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:21

So which one is it?

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Callie CurryHost1:36:23

Or you're defensive.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:24

Are you stupid or are you dumb? [laughs]

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Callie CurryHost1:36:26

Are you stupid or are you dumb?

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:28

[laughs] Dumb.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:29

Which one is it? So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:31

But, like, come on, come on back in the comments.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:33

Come on on the show.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:35

We love it.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:37

We welcome it.

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Callie CurryHost1:36:37

This might be a new segment that we do, so comment away.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:40

Yes.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:41

Also, Liz was in the comments because of Chelsea.

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Callie CurryHost1:36:43

Oh, yeah.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:44

You know, Chelsea, Chelsea.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:45

I was really trying to start a little beef there, and Liz laughed, and she said, "I love your voice." Thank you.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:50

I'ma, I'ma take it-

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Callie CurryHost1:36:51

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:51

... she's talking about me, and I'm gonna [laughs] accept the comment.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:54

Thank you, Liz.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:55

Thank you, Liz.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:56

I do truly hope you reconsider, though.

Rachel LindsayHost1:36:58

I do mean that.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:00

Um, but yeah, I like this new segment.

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Callie CurryHost1:37:02

Liz loves a Rachel.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:02

Come on.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:04

I...

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:05

Thank you.

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Callie CurryHost1:37:06

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:07

Thank you.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:08

Um, yeah.

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Callie CurryHost1:37:08

And we love a comment.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:09

That's it for us here.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:10

And we love a comment.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:11

Please, please keep them coming.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:14

We ain't scared.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:16

We ain't scared.

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Callie CurryHost1:37:19

Really not.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:21

But I'd really prefer that you came on the show.

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Callie CurryHost1:37:24

Yeah, we'd love that too.

Sign-Off & Next Episode Tease1:37:24 – 1:37:53

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:24

Let's talk, have a conversation.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:25

We'll take a comment, but we'd prefer a conversation.

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Callie CurryHost1:37:28

[laughs]

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:28

Um, with that being said, [laughs] that is it for us here on Morally Corrupt.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:34

Hope you guys have a beautiful weekend.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:36

Uh, stay safe, and we'll see you guys Tuesday for our Bravo news recap.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:42

Talk then.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:43

Bye.

Rachel LindsayHost1:37:45

[outro music]

CONTROVERSIAL59:53–1:00:43
Playing the Mom Card
“Hosts reveal unapologetic 'mom card' strategy.”
SPICY42:12–42:28
Danny Isn’t the Prize
“Rachel blasts Danny's outdated husband mindset.”
FUNNY11:40–11:56
‘Well, Adam Sandler…’ Escape Line
“Rachel's hilarious new conversation exit strategy.”
BEST STORY54:07–54:52
Rachel’s MLK Pageant Performance
“Rachel recalls winning pageant with MLK speech.”
NOTABLE LINE12:53–13:07
Tweedledee & Frick-N-Frack
“Hosts compare housewives to cartoonish duo.”

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