Sep 3, 2026 · 26 min · 9 segments
We want to hear from you! Drop us a message 🙏🏼 In Part 1, **Jason Cleugh, Lead Pastor of North City Church**, joins the podcast for an open and…
Jason CleughGuest
Matthew AblicanHost
And so, you know, I want to protect that pastor because I don't agree with how it's framed.
And it's not about, I actually commented on it and I said, Wow, so another person who, a person, I said, who has a nice car cannot empathize with the trials and tribulations that people go through? What are you talking about? I think it's just blown up out of proportion because they want clickbait and they use pastor in there.
So if you genuinely believe that scripture, that you're required to preach it, but you believe in it, of course, you're a pastor.
Who gets the final word? I think you answered it already, but God or the government?
I will try to make sure my heart's in the right place and that I use, you know, it's important, I think, to not just be truthful, but to also be wise and And discerning with how you speak, how you deliver truth.
And I can wound her in that and hurt her and not take into consideration who she is.
And I can't, you know, as a pastor, I don't live in this space constantly of going, what are people going to think? What I live in the space of, how am I going to care for them and love them when they think whatever they're going to think about me? So I need to speak and preach and teach and do and live the best way I know how.
And so, you know, I want to protect that pastor because I don't agree with how it's framed.
And it's not about, I actually commented on it and I said, Wow, so another person who, a person, I said, who has a nice car cannot empathize with the trials and tribulations that people go through? What are you talking about? I think it's just blown up out of proportion because they want clickbait and they use pastor in there.
So if you genuinely believe that scripture, that you're required to preach it, but you believe in it, of course, you're a pastor.
Who gets the final word? I think you answered it already, but God or the government?
I will try to make sure my heart's in the right place and that I use, you know, it's important, I think, to not just be truthful, but to also be wise and And discerning with how you speak, how you deliver truth.
And I can wound her in that and hurt her and not take into consideration who she is.
And I can't, you know, as a pastor, I don't live in this space constantly of going, what are people going to think? What I live in the space of, how am I going to care for them and love them when they think whatever they're going to think about me? So I need to speak and preach and teach and do and live the best way I know how.
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