Mesilas Yesharim Explained with Rabbi Dovid Schoonmaker
Aug 3, 2026 · 17 min · 7 segments
In two short sessions a week Rabbi Dovid Schoonmaker will elucidate and bring to life the eternal words of the Mesilas Yesharim. Rabbi Dovid Schoonmaker is the Rosh Yeshivah of Shapell's / Yeshivas…
Dovid SchoonmakerHost"U'par kol-- kol chayavim, amar Rabbi Yochanan, kat avi mati lahi kra--" Uh, sorry, "amru," excuse me, they said.
"Rabbi Yochanan, kat avi mati," when he would get to, "lahi kra, avi bachai." He would cry.
I remember when I saw my great-great rebbi, Shimon Simcha Kuleshzewski, which was an, an amazing Ish Tas, a person of sekhel.
Uh, even if you think of him like a real litvak, uh, you know, an introverted in a certain way person, his emotions weren't out all the time.
So imagine seeing Rabbi Yochanan, the sage, great sage of Yerushalayim, of, of Yerusha-- of, of Eretz Yisrael.
I don't know if he's in Yerushalayim, but he was up, up north, but of Eretz Yisrael.
"Karabti alecha mid mishpat." The pasuk says in Melachi, "And I drew close to you for mishpat, for judgment." "Vayiyti eid me maher," and I was a quick, um, a quick eid, a quick, um, witness.
"Machshavim uminafim umishmon le sheker," and I saw all the bad things you were doing.
Yesivoshvi-- So it means the-- HaKadosh Baruch Hu is saying like, "I see the negative things you're doing, and I'm gonna take you to task." And Rabbi Yochanan would cry, "Evi chishokel inu lam kalot kehamurah takani eish lo?" Means what's he putting in the same paragraph, adultery and not paying your worker the same day? That's what moved him.
The fact that HaKadosh Baruch Hu was an eid me maher, okay, Rabbi Yochanan got that.
When he would read the pasuk and he would review the pasuk, witchcraft, very severe.
Witchcraft is one of the most severe things, by the way, it says in Derech Hashem.
Minafim, adultery, okay, even part of the world still remembers that that's, uh, part of the world thinks that's a mitzvot gedolah.
But thank God, sane people still realize that that's from the worst source of arays.
"Evi chishokel inu lam kalot kehamurah takani eish lo?" Is there anything to do? The same feeling we have when we read these things Rabbi Yochanan had.
It's too much, right? "Bevadai," ein, now he explains, "Bevadai she ein kemani samamar sheyeha onesh al shnei ke echad." What moved Rabbi Yochanan? Listen carefully.
It wasn't that Rabbi Yochanan thought, and for sure that's not what the pasuk means, that you get the same onesh for adultery and for paying your workers late.
"U'par kol-- kol chayavim, amar Rabbi Yochanan, kat avi mati lahi kra--" Uh, sorry, "amru," excuse me, they said.
"Rabbi Yochanan, kat avi mati," when he would get to, "lahi kra, avi bachai." He would cry.
I remember when I saw my great-great rebbi, Shimon Simcha Kuleshzewski, which was an, an amazing Ish Tas, a person of sekhel.
Uh, even if you think of him like a real litvak, uh, you know, an introverted in a certain way person, his emotions weren't out all the time.
So imagine seeing Rabbi Yochanan, the sage, great sage of Yerushalayim, of, of Yerusha-- of, of Eretz Yisrael.
I don't know if he's in Yerushalayim, but he was up, up north, but of Eretz Yisrael.
"Karabti alecha mid mishpat." The pasuk says in Melachi, "And I drew close to you for mishpat, for judgment." "Vayiyti eid me maher," and I was a quick, um, a quick eid, a quick, um, witness.
"Machshavim uminafim umishmon le sheker," and I saw all the bad things you were doing.
Yesivoshvi-- So it means the-- HaKadosh Baruch Hu is saying like, "I see the negative things you're doing, and I'm gonna take you to task." And Rabbi Yochanan would cry, "Evi chishokel inu lam kalot kehamurah takani eish lo?" Means what's he putting in the same paragraph, adultery and not paying your worker the same day? That's what moved him.
The fact that HaKadosh Baruch Hu was an eid me maher, okay, Rabbi Yochanan got that.
When he would read the pasuk and he would review the pasuk, witchcraft, very severe.
Witchcraft is one of the most severe things, by the way, it says in Derech Hashem.
Minafim, adultery, okay, even part of the world still remembers that that's, uh, part of the world thinks that's a mitzvot gedolah.
But thank God, sane people still realize that that's from the worst source of arays.
"Evi chishokel inu lam kalot kehamurah takani eish lo?" Is there anything to do? The same feeling we have when we read these things Rabbi Yochanan had.
It's too much, right? "Bevadai," ein, now he explains, "Bevadai she ein kemani samamar sheyeha onesh al shnei ke echad." What moved Rabbi Yochanan? Listen carefully.
It wasn't that Rabbi Yochanan thought, and for sure that's not what the pasuk means, that you get the same onesh for adultery and for paying your workers late.
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