Menopause, Meltdowns & Magic - Two AuDHD, midlife mums. Two countries. Too many tabs open.
Aug 26, 2026 · 1 hr 4 min · 10 segments
This week Tanya sits down with Emma for a wandering,honest conversation about the gap between understanding something and actually feeling it. They talk about why knowing the “why” behind a meltdown…
Emma GilmourHost
Tanya ValentinHost
What I've been thinking about and talking about in my work, and I know that you've been thinking on similar tangent, is how sometimes when we think about Well, we think if I understand this, if I know everything about this particular thing, then it's not going to hurt me or I'm not going to feel it as deeply.

The idea that sometimes, you know, we think if we have insight, it's going to immunize us from the hurt.

Like, you know, if I understand this, why those people excluded me, then that's going to make me feel less hurt, right? Or if I understand, and I see this in parenting a lot, if I understand why my child, like how their nervous system works, then I'm not going to feel hurt.

as dysregulated when they're having a meltdown or when they're really dysregulated themselves.

And I was, you know, and to some extent, like understanding something, I totally agree with her, you know, to some extent, understanding something has been really useful and helpful in my life.

You know, when I started to understand the way that brains and nervous systems and things worked and my own neurodiversity too, or divergence too, it's helped me to make sense of things and it did help me to feel better about it but sometimes we can use that as a way to bypass our actual feelings about things or we or to like gaslight ourselves into well i i know why that's happening so i shouldn't feel upset about it or i shouldn't feel hurt about it so the idea that insight necessarily isn't immunity from those things

yeah i love that um it sounds like a slogan i love it insight isn't immunity it's like it's really it's a cool um way to capture the concept in a short um piece of prose i love it it's a it's interesting what you're talking about it's funny enough i've been working on this week personally um a physical experience that happens to me a reaction um when people uh it it's when i'm i think that i'm in relationship with somebody enough to be myself so i behave as if i am an equal and then they pull away And it's going to sound like a funny thing, but it's something that's been like a pattern through my life.

This is like, you know what I mean when I'm saying that it feels like an attachment thing, but I couldn't like work out why.

And then something happened recently with my family of origin where my mum pulled away from me for a bit and I felt it.

I said something and she pulled away and I felt it in my body, in my everything.

I felt like I'd done something so bad, so wrong, so... like I was, I had to fix it.

What I've been thinking about and talking about in my work, and I know that you've been thinking on similar tangent, is how sometimes when we think about Well, we think if I understand this, if I know everything about this particular thing, then it's not going to hurt me or I'm not going to feel it as deeply.

The idea that sometimes, you know, we think if we have insight, it's going to immunize us from the hurt.

Like, you know, if I understand this, why those people excluded me, then that's going to make me feel less hurt, right? Or if I understand, and I see this in parenting a lot, if I understand why my child, like how their nervous system works, then I'm not going to feel hurt.

as dysregulated when they're having a meltdown or when they're really dysregulated themselves.

And I was, you know, and to some extent, like understanding something, I totally agree with her, you know, to some extent, understanding something has been really useful and helpful in my life.

You know, when I started to understand the way that brains and nervous systems and things worked and my own neurodiversity too, or divergence too, it's helped me to make sense of things and it did help me to feel better about it but sometimes we can use that as a way to bypass our actual feelings about things or we or to like gaslight ourselves into well i i know why that's happening so i shouldn't feel upset about it or i shouldn't feel hurt about it so the idea that insight necessarily isn't immunity from those things

yeah i love that um it sounds like a slogan i love it insight isn't immunity it's like it's really it's a cool um way to capture the concept in a short um piece of prose i love it it's a it's interesting what you're talking about it's funny enough i've been working on this week personally um a physical experience that happens to me a reaction um when people uh it it's when i'm i think that i'm in relationship with somebody enough to be myself so i behave as if i am an equal and then they pull away And it's going to sound like a funny thing, but it's something that's been like a pattern through my life.

This is like, you know what I mean when I'm saying that it feels like an attachment thing, but I couldn't like work out why.

And then something happened recently with my family of origin where my mum pulled away from me for a bit and I felt it.

I said something and she pulled away and I felt it in my body, in my everything.

I felt like I'd done something so bad, so wrong, so... like I was, I had to fix it.
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