Judith Lewis Herman

That's one that's been made by clinicians.

I'm thinking of the Harvard Medical School psychiatrist, Dr. Judith Herman, who is a pioneering researcher in the field of post-traumatic stress conditions.

She developed her methodology for treating people who have been victims of, you know, especially prolonged and repeated violence because she saw commonalities in the symptoms of domestic violence and abuse survivors.

and the then Vietnam veterans who are turning from war.

Yeah.

I mean, even the fact that, so in that project, I also interviewed Judith Herman.

She coined the term CPTSD

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People say, don't meet your heroes.

Meet Judith Herman.

She is amazing.

And so I have to hide my own feelings and even hide my own physical needs.

There was, did I save the part in the book? Judith Herman's book, Trauma and Recovery.

There's a part where she talks about In ordinary human responses to danger, it's complex integrated systems of reactions encompassing both body and mind.

So that long after the event, when we live in this fight or flight, that threat concentrates a person's attention on the immediate situation.

By definition, narcissistic relationships are unjust.

Judith Herman last year wrote a phenomenal book on on trauma and healing and injustice and how much lack of justice can really impede our healing from trauma.

Frankly, I think it really impacts significantly our capacity to come back from betrayal.

Listen, in the ideal story, the person who betrays you can go off with their new person and that relationship blows up because the new person cheats on them.

That's not a diagnosis we acknowledge in the UK or we know that dissociation doesn't exist.

And we see people literally dissociating from dissociation because, and it always takes me back to Judith Herman's work.

And I think she's absolutely brilliant.

And what she talks about, is stuff around bystander and bystander kind of mentality.

So that why becomes It's my fault.

Judith Herman, the trauma researcher, argues that children do that for safety reasons.

It's too catastrophic for children to believe that their betraying or traumatizing parents are bad.

So the child then internalizes the blame as the bad one who is responsible for their own abuse, which allows the parents to remain in a good position.

De hecho, es como el estudio así como más famoso, que escribieron el libro "El cuerpo lleva la cuenta".

Para mí este es un referente, ¿vale? Y luego estaría la, la que para mí es como mi todo, que es Judith Herman, que escribió "Trauma y recuperación", que hablaba también de los veteranos de la guerra de Vietnam y cómo se manifestaba el trastorno de estrés postraumático, que ahora te voy a explicar un poquito-

Vale.

En, eh, mujeres víctimas de violencia.

So read enough fiction to find your own favorite.

Um, in terms of a psychology, a book that I really like is from one of my teachers, um, Judith Herman.

It's called Trauma and Recovery, and she was very, she is a very instrumental woman in understanding trauma.

Um-

Um, Bessel van der Kolk said, "Trauma victims cannot recover until they become familiar with and befriend sensations in their bodies," and that is so true for eating disorders.

Um, and you know, all the Peter Levine and Gabor Maté and Judith Herman and all these, um, um, trauma practitioners and people who've written about trauma just talk a lot about not just safety, but embodiment and reconnection.

Yeah.

So I think there's three areas I want to ask you about and s- have your comments on.