Oct 20, 2026 · 1 hr 16 min · 11 segments
In this episode of the Men Need Love Too podcast, Kat Anna sits down with Jon Bui, a Lewis and Clark law school graduate and founder of The Negotiated Apology, to discuss how to apologize, conflict…

So you need to understand that the apology itself is going to contextualize the relationship and how it looked like in the future because of what had happened in the past.

It's never going to be the way they were, especially if you do something drastically harmful like, you know, infidelity or laying your hands on someone.

But the only way realistically is forward you don't go back to a space where uh the other person forgets that like oh that never happened this is our relationship that never happened it's that's wishful thinking um so you have to think about how does communication move things forward with context
And how many times have like we heard people say, like, I just want things to go back to the way we were and being stuck on that.
And even if it's a small thing, the thing is, once you go through something and it doesn't mean it's a bad thing when you say it's never going to be the same, because it's this act of this apologizing and owning it and moving through something difficult could actually bring the people closer together than they were before.
It could bring some vulnerability and some authenticity and some closeness to their relationship, some intimacy.

And that's what people need to really understand about this process, this almost ritual that you do when you mess up with somebody.

The example I always give is you know, new girlfriend and new boyfriend, right? They're brought together by mutual attraction.

So you need to understand that the apology itself is going to contextualize the relationship and how it looked like in the future because of what had happened in the past.

It's never going to be the way they were, especially if you do something drastically harmful like, you know, infidelity or laying your hands on someone.

But the only way realistically is forward you don't go back to a space where uh the other person forgets that like oh that never happened this is our relationship that never happened it's that's wishful thinking um so you have to think about how does communication move things forward with context
And how many times have like we heard people say, like, I just want things to go back to the way we were and being stuck on that.
And even if it's a small thing, the thing is, once you go through something and it doesn't mean it's a bad thing when you say it's never going to be the same, because it's this act of this apologizing and owning it and moving through something difficult could actually bring the people closer together than they were before.
It could bring some vulnerability and some authenticity and some closeness to their relationship, some intimacy.

And that's what people need to really understand about this process, this almost ritual that you do when you mess up with somebody.

The example I always give is you know, new girlfriend and new boyfriend, right? They're brought together by mutual attraction.
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