Anthony Foley went from National Guard infantryman to master electrician to owner of his own veteran-owned shop, and he volunteered five years as an apprenticeship instructor along the way. In this conversation he is unusually honest about what large-scale construction does to people over time, including himself.
We get into the day there was no drinking water on a hot job site and what that silence communicated, the leadership test he gives every apprentice, why he believes teaching is the highest form of mastery, and the moment a former student told him over lunch that he still seemed bitter. He agreed.
**Key topics covered**
• Why a foundation in standards made the transition from the military to construction easier, and where that turns into rigidity
• The jump from a small shop to a national contractor, and the day he had to admit he might just be a number
• Getting thrown onto large-scale new construction with no mentorship and being told to ask as few questions as possible
• The water story, and what leadership communicates when it brushes something small off
• Take the money off the table: his test for whether a leader is worth following
• Why he gave five years of his own time to teaching apprentices for free
• Teaching as the way men in this trade actually show they care
• Phones, gambling and what he reads as a hope problem in younger apprentices
• The gap between the six figure trades marketing and a first year apprentice’s actual paycheque
• The superintendent who kept working through heat stroke, and what that models for everyone watching
• How harshness gets inherited from one generation of tradespeople to the next
• Why he thinks building steadier men is the precondition for the diversity the industry says it wants
• Becoming the thing you were trying to avoid, and catching it in yourself
• What construction could learn from law enforcement about peer support and stress
• What he would tell an eighteen year old, and the one reason for joining the trades he will not accept
**Guest**
Anthony Foley, owner and master electrician, AKF Energy Electrical, Dumfries, Virginia. Former National Guard infantryman. Five years as a volunteer apprenticeship instructor.
**Mentioned in this episode**
• AKF Energy Electrical: akfenergy.com
• Anthony Foley: afoley@akfenergy.com
• Kennesaw State University (where Anthony studied graphic design before enlisting)
• Lightcast, Defining the Skilled Trades: A Data-Driven Blueprint for the Future, August 25, 2026
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