Jul 28, 2026 · 59 min · 12 segments
Artificial lighting has quietly become one of the biggest environmental changes humans have ever experienced. For millions of years, our biology evolved under the full spectrum of sunlight. Today…
Glen JefferyGuestDoug LucasHostmore interesting yeah well what i love about the position that you're in is that you are in the position to execute on these ideas that you've been really developing in your research over the last i don't know how many years right we're talking decades at this point correct
But let me ask you this question, and then this will set the stage for the rest of the conversation, which is, what do you think is the worst thing that we've done to our indoor lighting environment over the last 10 years? Oh, well, for me, it's relatively

Then we had Edison light bulbs, incandescent light bulbs, which may be hard to imagine, but they're very similar to sunlight.

And then bang, we hit the early 2000s and we moved to LEDs and we saved lots of money.

But for the first time in the evolution of life, and we're going back billions of years, Life is now living under an incredibly restricted environment.

The problem is our bodies see light in very, very different ways, and they have a reliance upon parts of the spectrum that are beyond the visual range.

So, you know, you think about the billions of years of evolution, and there was one great constant in that, sunlight.

And for us, you know, when humans evolved maybe four or five million years ago, we evolved very close to the equator.

And now we're in Northern Europe and everything's changed in terms of our environmental lighting.

And then we've made it infinitely worse by changing our lighting within the built environment.

So there are many drums to bang about how people's lives have changed in the modern world.
more interesting yeah well what i love about the position that you're in is that you are in the position to execute on these ideas that you've been really developing in your research over the last i don't know how many years right we're talking decades at this point correct
But let me ask you this question, and then this will set the stage for the rest of the conversation, which is, what do you think is the worst thing that we've done to our indoor lighting environment over the last 10 years? Oh, well, for me, it's relatively

Then we had Edison light bulbs, incandescent light bulbs, which may be hard to imagine, but they're very similar to sunlight.

And then bang, we hit the early 2000s and we moved to LEDs and we saved lots of money.

But for the first time in the evolution of life, and we're going back billions of years, Life is now living under an incredibly restricted environment.

The problem is our bodies see light in very, very different ways, and they have a reliance upon parts of the spectrum that are beyond the visual range.

So, you know, you think about the billions of years of evolution, and there was one great constant in that, sunlight.

And for us, you know, when humans evolved maybe four or five million years ago, we evolved very close to the equator.

And now we're in Northern Europe and everything's changed in terms of our environmental lighting.

And then we've made it infinitely worse by changing our lighting within the built environment.

So there are many drums to bang about how people's lives have changed in the modern world.
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