Robert Fosbury

That was the one in July.

And in there, there's a photograph of, of Bob Fosbury's hand was a co-author on that paper.

And it shows clearly that in the infrared spectrum that light is able to pass right through the hand and you don't even see bones.

Like it's just going through the bones like there's nothing.

We're not synthesizing anything.

It's actually affecting our metabolism.

So the term that Bob Fosbury likes to use when talking about this type of phenomenon is photometabolism.

And that's the type of thing, not even photobiomodulation because photobiomodulation seems like we're actually changing what's going on in the human body.

And there seems to be this fantastic... effect of these long wavelength lights.

I know you recently spoke to, you know, Scott Zimmerman and Bob Fosbury and those guys.

And, you know, they're forwarding a really fantastic hypothesis about just how fundamental these near infrared wavelengths are.

Yeah.

And that ties fundamentally to stepping outside of this metabolic flat envelope in all those areas that we've discussed.

To answer your initial question about maybe this internal pharmacy as it relates to light, I think the most exciting area that I'm interested in is the intersection of how light and photobiology affects metabolic health because what we're seeing coming out of amazing researchers like Professor Glenn Jeffrey out of UCL London, Scott Zimmerman, and Bob Fosbury, who's a professor of astrophysics and an astronomer, looking at photobiological interactions with mitochondria.

What we're seeing is that the light is so critically important to optimal mitochondrial function and therefore to – metabolic health.

And when you nail this light environment, when you are living in harmony with natural light cycles, when you're getting full spectrum sunlight that's appropriate to your skin type, every single day, then the mitochondrial function is optimized and mitochondrial ATP production is optimized and you don't get the buildup of substrates.

I don't remember how you said it, but what I heard through all of that is that you were saying that mitochondria are exporting entropy pretty much.

Are they dissipating it through heat? What are they doing? Yeah,

so the person who kind of crystallized this for me was, again, Professor Bob Fosbury, when he analogized a biological system to the sun.

And the sun is a star that maintains this... essentially a far from equilibrium state where it's undergoing fusion and it's essentially basically fusing hydrogen into helium and the process it's creating light and it's actually exporting that energy as light and starlight and that starlight leaves the sun and it needs to leave the sun so that the sun can maintain this far from equilibrium state.

And then...

You know, we've been lucky enough to talk to people like Bob Fosbury and Glenn Jeffrey, who've kind of talked at a very high science level.

And then, you know, people like Rowan Jacobson and others who, you know, give us a kind of broader picture of what's going on.

And I think, you know, when you reached out to me and talked about your new book, I was like, this is a, this is brilliant.

And there's actually some really very interesting, um, things that have come up even in the last, uh, year, um, a- and maybe even less than that, maybe in the last few weeks, months, that are really exciting and have actually-- Um, I'll just tell you this.

I've-- I and Robert Fosbury and Glen Jeffrey and Scott Zerman have put out a preprint on really a completely different way of looking at sun and how it affects the mitochondria, and it brings together a, a bunch of different, um, uh, disciplines that's, uh, very exciting.

Well, there's so much there.

I'd like to pick apart a couple of those pieces and, and one of them with air.

if cellular water is reduced or not mineralized enough, that electron transport chain through gate one, two, and three is reduced in its ability.

You know, Bob Fosbury talks about electrons having to jump over a barrier.

Well, all that's happening is the barriers are getting higher and you end up with reactive oxygen species.

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So I would love to wrap up on the vitality of infrared light and the importance of it.

Yes.

I mean, for me it is, it's the thing that's grabbed me for the last year and, um, i've put a bit of a guideline or or guidance in the book but this is a very quickly moving target you know we're starting to find how important infrared is for every species on earth including our own and actually that if you listen to people like bob fosbury and dr jen glenn jeffrey and All of the people that are doing this cutting edge work on mitochondrial well-being, the human race is engineering itself a vast set of fatal diseases simply by not exposing itself to the sun.

And of course, as reptile keepers, we think, oh, UV, you need D3.