Where does someone start?

Well, the story's changed as time's gone on.

Now we knew with big red light panels, things that kicked out a lot of red light in a restricted range, there's a biphasic effect.

So things look pretty good for a while.

So if you expose someone to a big red light bed and you have some biological metrics on them, everything seems to work very well for the first 45 minutes.

After that, the process, I mean, you're just not getting a lot of improvement.

It might feel good, but you're not getting a lot of improvement.

You're going to create this, this choke, this, this area, this funnel that has restriction, right? Would it work itself out over the subsequent 23 hours and 15 minutes? Or should you go lower power for longer exposure, like something like a light bulb? Yeah, so definitely.

I've heard you talk about it before on other channels, but for somebody who's new and isn't aware that blue light and near infrared and red light can alter blood sugar, because some people think, oh, it's only food that can do that.

No, no, light has a big, powerful influence on it.

It's slightly difficult to get over, but I work on something called mitochondria, which are these little batteries in your body, and there are vast numbers of them, and they respond to light.

And they work much harder when you're in daylight than they do when you're under LED lighting.

And when they work hard, they need sugar.

And the place they find that sugar is in your blood, in your serum.

So after you have a meal, your blood sugars peak about 45 minutes to an hour afterwards.

Would you mind if we change some bulbs? Because it's like you say, it's not a difficult thing for people to do.

But, but first if you wanna just share whatever you think comes to mind.

Tina Karu, I've never met her.

I'd love to meet her.

A Russian lady.

She really-- I could s-- I think you could say that she was one that opened the door on the subject, and she opened the door on the subject because it wasn't just, say, l-look at red light and see what red light does.

She attempted to explore the mechanism.

Now, as with all things in science, we find that we're not always running down the right pathway.

Um, where do you think sort of like the best evidence points to?

So let's talk about, um, how light impacts mitochondria and other aspects of cellular function and maybe use that as a segue into the longer wavelengths.

Yeah.

Sure.

That area is expanding enormously.Um, and it's expanding enormously in lots of little pockets, and the pockets aren't, or weren't always talking to one another very well.

Um, the first person that came along and said, "Look, longer wavelengths are really positively affecting mitochondrial function," um, was a, a lady called Tina Karu in Russia, and who was very largely ignored.

Um, I don't...

I think she's still alive.

Mm-hmm.