Jul 9, 2026 · 44 min · 10 segments
Host Justin McMenamy continues his conversation with Brent Adamson, co-author of “The Challenger Sale” and “The Framemaking Sale”. When asked if Challengers are born or taught, Adamson argues…
Brent AdamsonGuest
Justin McMenemyHost
My name is Justin McMenamy, and my mission is to share both profitable and painful leadership lessons I have acquired over a 20-year career as a misfit in corporate America.

In this episode, we discuss if leaders are born or bred, what to look for when hiring a salesman, and we also drop a few COVID hot takes, because as you know, people love talking about COVID.

For those of you just joining, this is the second half of a conversation with Brent Adamson, the co-author of The Challenger Sale, and more recently, The Framemaking Sale.

In the first half of the conversation, we discuss Brent's career journey from a German professor at Michigan State to a researcher and author.

We also discuss the various personality types in sales and leadership, and the potential for friction that challenger behaviors may face within rigid organizational cultures.

I hope you enjoy the second half of our conversation as we continue to dig into the overlap of sound sales techniques and sound leadership approaches.
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My name is Justin McMenamy, and my mission is to share both profitable and painful leadership lessons I have acquired over a 20-year career as a misfit in corporate America.

In this episode, we discuss if leaders are born or bred, what to look for when hiring a salesman, and we also drop a few COVID hot takes, because as you know, people love talking about COVID.

For those of you just joining, this is the second half of a conversation with Brent Adamson, the co-author of The Challenger Sale, and more recently, The Framemaking Sale.

In the first half of the conversation, we discuss Brent's career journey from a German professor at Michigan State to a researcher and author.

We also discuss the various personality types in sales and leadership, and the potential for friction that challenger behaviors may face within rigid organizational cultures.

I hope you enjoy the second half of our conversation as we continue to dig into the overlap of sound sales techniques and sound leadership approaches.