Grit in the Boardroom - Executive Interviews on Corporate Governance and Risk Management
May 6, 2026 · 53 min · 14 segments
We’re diving into one of the most dramatic turnaround stories in the industry that involved taking on a failing business and turning it into Agency of the Year in three years. That doesn't happen by…
Chris HirstGuest
Erika Eliasson-NorrisHostDefinitely something that many CEOs that I've seen have, like you kind of said at the beginning, diverged away from or kind of said, this is too big for me to deal with, therefore I'm just going to opt out.

And the leadership industrial complex makes a lot of money from making leadership seem like really complicated, you know, and guess what? They've got the answer.

Like I said earlier, very often you have lots and lots of people making lots of money out of the culture industry.

And what they do is they come into an organization and say, well, OK, I'm going to come under six months of consultancy with you.

I'm not going to exhaust you on this, but if you just start with those four, OK, you're going to be way ahead of most.
Definitely something that many CEOs that I've seen have, like you kind of said at the beginning, diverged away from or kind of said, this is too big for me to deal with, therefore I'm just going to opt out.

And the leadership industrial complex makes a lot of money from making leadership seem like really complicated, you know, and guess what? They've got the answer.

Like I said earlier, very often you have lots and lots of people making lots of money out of the culture industry.

And what they do is they come into an organization and say, well, OK, I'm going to come under six months of consultancy with you.

I'm not going to exhaust you on this, but if you just start with those four, OK, you're going to be way ahead of most.
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