Aug 4, 2025 · 1 hr 1 min · 17 segments
What happens when you build a $100 million brand, become the face of a cultural movement, and then watch it all come crashing down—publicly? In this episode, I sit down with the iconic Sophia…
Sophia AmorusoGuest
Tori DunlapHost
[upbeat music] So Sophia, you made an Instagram post where you took stock of your life, and I love how you ended it.
[laughs] You said, "40-year-old Sophia is financially free and shocked she pulled any of it off, navigates setbacks with grace, and is," quote, "proof that you can shoot for the moon, land in the stars, fall back to Earth, and be more free, inspired, wiser, happier, and hotter than ever." Do you have a, like, falling back to Earth moment that you're most grateful for in hindsight?
Th-this alone is, like, a whole podcast or, I don't know, a documentary or something.
But four months later, this Netflix series came out about my life, and I think the, the hardest part of it all, there was a lot of hard things that happened this year.
Was when the s-series came out, and there were headlines like, uh, "The worst thing about Netflix's Girl Boss was its source material." And I think it was then that I just really, like, realized that, you know, my identity isn't tied to what I do.
I want them to say nice things, but I think the, the biggest thing I took away from that was it probably ended, like, you know, what I do...
Like, what I do or haven't done or what I've won and lost or what I have isn't who I am, and that what I get to take with me is what I've learned, and the rest of it doesn't really matter.
[laughs] When we talk about that sort of theme a lot on this show, which is, I think women are-- we define ourselves by our, our own accomplishments, and our identity becomes what our output is or how much we're able to do, and we feel like we have to earn rest.
And it sounds like through, unfortunately, a very, like, public, multi, multiple public instances of this, you came to the point where you're like, "I am okay just being who I am without having to accomplish anything to earn respect or love or glory or whatever that looks like."
... to be loved when you're, when you're, like, a trad wife or something, but... [laughs]
[upbeat music] So Sophia, you made an Instagram post where you took stock of your life, and I love how you ended it.
[laughs] You said, "40-year-old Sophia is financially free and shocked she pulled any of it off, navigates setbacks with grace, and is," quote, "proof that you can shoot for the moon, land in the stars, fall back to Earth, and be more free, inspired, wiser, happier, and hotter than ever." Do you have a, like, falling back to Earth moment that you're most grateful for in hindsight?
Th-this alone is, like, a whole podcast or, I don't know, a documentary or something.
But four months later, this Netflix series came out about my life, and I think the, the hardest part of it all, there was a lot of hard things that happened this year.
Was when the s-series came out, and there were headlines like, uh, "The worst thing about Netflix's Girl Boss was its source material." And I think it was then that I just really, like, realized that, you know, my identity isn't tied to what I do.
I want them to say nice things, but I think the, the biggest thing I took away from that was it probably ended, like, you know, what I do...
Like, what I do or haven't done or what I've won and lost or what I have isn't who I am, and that what I get to take with me is what I've learned, and the rest of it doesn't really matter.
[laughs] When we talk about that sort of theme a lot on this show, which is, I think women are-- we define ourselves by our, our own accomplishments, and our identity becomes what our output is or how much we're able to do, and we feel like we have to earn rest.
And it sounds like through, unfortunately, a very, like, public, multi, multiple public instances of this, you came to the point where you're like, "I am okay just being who I am without having to accomplish anything to earn respect or love or glory or whatever that looks like."
... to be loved when you're, when you're, like, a trad wife or something, but... [laughs]
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