Oct 15, 2026 · 1 hr · 11 segments
On this episode of the Fighting Matters Podcast, Stephan Kesting, Jesse Walker, Jeff Shaw, and Steve Kwan examine how the recent insane actions of Donald Trump represent the normalization of extreme…
Steve KwanGuest
Jeff ShawGuest
Stephan KestingHost
Jesse WalkerGuest
What I thought would be an interesting topic for tonight is just the amount of crazy that's floating around and why there's that amount of crazy.

So in the last three days in Trumpist Den, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Trump floated the idea of renaming an ocean as either the Trump ocean or the emotion of the Americas.

He picked a press secretary, this glitching Barbie doll who can read as well as an illiterate fifth grader.

He suspended the Russian oil sanctions to allow Russian oil to be imported into the US with not spending that same amount in Canada where he would have gotten more oil for less money.

He posted a bunch of snuff films of lion and tiger attacks in zoos and in nature, and then later posted a AI video of himself wrestling a tiger, cheered on a crowd that was attacking a woman who was wearing a release the Epstein file shirt.

And, uh, did nothing to calm down that situation, and then talked about Senator John Husted's ass and about how nice it was in an attempt to support him.

And I'm sure we can all think of about 10 billion crazy things, legitimately insane things that he's done in the last, well, six years of his presidency.

But why is that? Why does he do it? And why is it not covered more? And why do the people who can do something about it let this run free? Why? Tell me why.

I'm surprised you didn't even get into the fact that he's now claiming ownership of Greenland.

But yeah, to your point, I mean, this has always been... his MO, but it really just feels to me, I mean, and maybe this is just all that it is, when the only thing that you've got and the only thing that you are good at in life is whipping up media and getting attention at any cost, you are in this constant acceleration cycle where you've got to be progressively more and more outlandish because you're if you just keep doing the same thing, eventually it becomes normalized.

And in America, we've allowed so much to normalize that now it takes a lot of crazy to stand out.

I mean, God, this is a guy who years ago paid a porn star with campaign funds to to cover up so that she would not speak out about their affair, right? This is a guy who was caught bragging about and admitting to sexual assault on tape, and that wasn't enough to prevent him from winning the presidency.

So when your whole brand is outlandishness, And w and w you've been doing that for so long, it starts to normalize.

And I think you just eventually, you know, you have to get progressively crazier and crazier to do things that stand out.

And if that means publishing a, you know, a social media video of some getting murdered by a lion, then I guess that's what it takes.

What I thought would be an interesting topic for tonight is just the amount of crazy that's floating around and why there's that amount of crazy.

So in the last three days in Trumpist Den, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Trump floated the idea of renaming an ocean as either the Trump ocean or the emotion of the Americas.

He picked a press secretary, this glitching Barbie doll who can read as well as an illiterate fifth grader.

He suspended the Russian oil sanctions to allow Russian oil to be imported into the US with not spending that same amount in Canada where he would have gotten more oil for less money.

He posted a bunch of snuff films of lion and tiger attacks in zoos and in nature, and then later posted a AI video of himself wrestling a tiger, cheered on a crowd that was attacking a woman who was wearing a release the Epstein file shirt.

And, uh, did nothing to calm down that situation, and then talked about Senator John Husted's ass and about how nice it was in an attempt to support him.

And I'm sure we can all think of about 10 billion crazy things, legitimately insane things that he's done in the last, well, six years of his presidency.

But why is that? Why does he do it? And why is it not covered more? And why do the people who can do something about it let this run free? Why? Tell me why.

I'm surprised you didn't even get into the fact that he's now claiming ownership of Greenland.

But yeah, to your point, I mean, this has always been... his MO, but it really just feels to me, I mean, and maybe this is just all that it is, when the only thing that you've got and the only thing that you are good at in life is whipping up media and getting attention at any cost, you are in this constant acceleration cycle where you've got to be progressively more and more outlandish because you're if you just keep doing the same thing, eventually it becomes normalized.

And in America, we've allowed so much to normalize that now it takes a lot of crazy to stand out.

I mean, God, this is a guy who years ago paid a porn star with campaign funds to to cover up so that she would not speak out about their affair, right? This is a guy who was caught bragging about and admitting to sexual assault on tape, and that wasn't enough to prevent him from winning the presidency.

So when your whole brand is outlandishness, And w and w you've been doing that for so long, it starts to normalize.

And I think you just eventually, you know, you have to get progressively crazier and crazier to do things that stand out.

And if that means publishing a, you know, a social media video of some getting murdered by a lion, then I guess that's what it takes.
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