Jul 27, 2026 · 1 hr 17 min · 12 segments
In recent weeks, we’ve seen our skies engulfed in dystopian haze. We’ve had lethal heat waves ruin our Fourth of July cookouts. States have announced emergency water rationing due to record-breaking…
Jamie HennGuest
Aaron RegunbergHostMatt DaSilvaHost
Will you guys pay some share of the climate damages that you've done? Even if you don't admit it's all your fault, it's clearly partially your fault and you've made massive profits.
Will you chip in to maybe help us deal with the catastrophic wildfires and floods and storms that are destroying homes across America? And the answer is no.
Fuck no, and we're going to take you to court and sue you, and we're going to mass campaign to try and stop this effort.
This industry wants no part, and I think campaigns like that all sort of show, like, oh, maybe these aren't the good guys that we need to rely on.
Which is something you and I have talked through a lot of times in our day jobs.
But there's been this big push since right after the 2024 election, largely led by corporate aligned think tanks like Searchlight Institute and Welcome Pack and Third Way to – to get Democrats to stop talking about climate.
And again, this is something you and I talk about a lot, but interested to hear your current take on the discourse.
Look, I think that there's there obviously like any political issue, there are right ways to talk about something and wrong ways to talk about something.
And I think advocates for a long time have been working really hard to figure out how can you take a big crisis like climate change, this existential crisis, and make it actually resonate with people's lives.
Because we know that climate is a huge affordability issue, whether it is housing prices going up because people can't get insurance, and the insurance crisis being driven by climate damages, whether it's all the money we're paying at the pump, as we talked about, whether it's the potential of clean energy to basically provide free electricity.
for people across the country, you know, there's a way to really tell this story that connects this with everyday people's lives.
So, you know, should Democrats be giving science lectures about parts per million and all of that? No, of course not.
But should they be out there talking about what farmers are seeing on the ground because of, you know, historic droughts? Should they be talking about the benefits of clean energy, whether it's saving you money on your bills or creating new jobs? Absolutely.
I It's even more of a priority because it does two things that are really key in politics.
One, it simultaneously animates our base of people who really care about this and can wedge some key groups in the opposition, whether it's like tech pros who like clean energy or folks who still really dig Elon's electric cars or, you know, Maha moms who are worried about the environment or people who really care about public lands.
There are enough wedge audiences on the other side that we could really pick up votes we need by running on this issue.
And then second, it's an issue where we have a huge trust advantage over Republicans.
Like, Democrats versus Republicans on the overall economy, we battle to a draw, right? Like, you go on TV and you have a Democrat saying, I want to create jobs, a Republican saying, I want to create jobs, and people are like, whatever.
You do that on the environment and climate, and everybody knows that Republicans don't give a shit.
Will you guys pay some share of the climate damages that you've done? Even if you don't admit it's all your fault, it's clearly partially your fault and you've made massive profits.
Will you chip in to maybe help us deal with the catastrophic wildfires and floods and storms that are destroying homes across America? And the answer is no.
Fuck no, and we're going to take you to court and sue you, and we're going to mass campaign to try and stop this effort.
This industry wants no part, and I think campaigns like that all sort of show, like, oh, maybe these aren't the good guys that we need to rely on.
Which is something you and I have talked through a lot of times in our day jobs.
But there's been this big push since right after the 2024 election, largely led by corporate aligned think tanks like Searchlight Institute and Welcome Pack and Third Way to – to get Democrats to stop talking about climate.
And again, this is something you and I talk about a lot, but interested to hear your current take on the discourse.
Look, I think that there's there obviously like any political issue, there are right ways to talk about something and wrong ways to talk about something.
And I think advocates for a long time have been working really hard to figure out how can you take a big crisis like climate change, this existential crisis, and make it actually resonate with people's lives.
Because we know that climate is a huge affordability issue, whether it is housing prices going up because people can't get insurance, and the insurance crisis being driven by climate damages, whether it's all the money we're paying at the pump, as we talked about, whether it's the potential of clean energy to basically provide free electricity.
for people across the country, you know, there's a way to really tell this story that connects this with everyday people's lives.
So, you know, should Democrats be giving science lectures about parts per million and all of that? No, of course not.
But should they be out there talking about what farmers are seeing on the ground because of, you know, historic droughts? Should they be talking about the benefits of clean energy, whether it's saving you money on your bills or creating new jobs? Absolutely.
I It's even more of a priority because it does two things that are really key in politics.
One, it simultaneously animates our base of people who really care about this and can wedge some key groups in the opposition, whether it's like tech pros who like clean energy or folks who still really dig Elon's electric cars or, you know, Maha moms who are worried about the environment or people who really care about public lands.
There are enough wedge audiences on the other side that we could really pick up votes we need by running on this issue.
And then second, it's an issue where we have a huge trust advantage over Republicans.
Like, Democrats versus Republicans on the overall economy, we battle to a draw, right? Like, you go on TV and you have a Democrat saying, I want to create jobs, a Republican saying, I want to create jobs, and people are like, whatever.
You do that on the environment and climate, and everybody knows that Republicans don't give a shit.
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