Oct 2, 2026 · 1 hr · 14 segments
AI is absorbing investor attention while crypto fundamentals keep improving and fueling growing signs of the long-awaiting bull market. This week, we debate the economics behind AI’s boom and whether…
Rob HadickHostSantiago Roel SantosHost... we haven't seen, and I don't know if we'll, it'll be anytime soon, but, like, what I was ac- Okay, so for people who missed it, there's this company called Factory.
We've talked about Cogni-Cognition before 'cause Paul Grewal, who was the chief legal officer at Coinbase, went over to Cognition.
They're, like, one of the fastest growing, actually, companies in the world right now.
Anyways, Factory had a bo- uh, board member, um, who was the first sales hire at Snowflake.
Um, what we haven't seen is, like, if you th-reme- Okay, think about crypto in 2020 and 2021 and how many really hot, amazing companies there were, and how many of them had these catastrophic blowups, and, like, that, there has, there's no, th- there's been no pin that's been popped in the balloon of, of AI, and some of these companies are incredible, world-class, will be literally trillion-dollar companies, and some of them are total zeros, and we have no idea which one of them it is.
What I'm interested in is what is the thing that pops the, dare I say, bubble, or maybe I can say balloon, of, like, what, which, what's the company? What, just tell me who the Celsius is.

... a good, uh, sort of segue into, uh, the thing that's happening, uh, or at least the conversation about Anthropic, right? 'Cause, like, obviously, like, you know, their, their, uh, S1 has been out.

It's leaked to a few people, uh, but, you know, we, none of us have seen all of it, uh, yet.

They, um, uh, but, but the FT, like, talked about last year's revenue, uh, and unit economics, which was essentially like, yeah, they're, for, for every dollar 60 of compute, they are giving a dollar of revenue.

So, like, even, like, the unit economics of, of, of, um, Anthropic, let alone, like, all of the other expenses they have in training new models, et cetera, was, uh, it was, was deeply, deeply negative.
... we haven't seen, and I don't know if we'll, it'll be anytime soon, but, like, what I was ac- Okay, so for people who missed it, there's this company called Factory.
We've talked about Cogni-Cognition before 'cause Paul Grewal, who was the chief legal officer at Coinbase, went over to Cognition.
They're, like, one of the fastest growing, actually, companies in the world right now.
Anyways, Factory had a bo- uh, board member, um, who was the first sales hire at Snowflake.
Um, what we haven't seen is, like, if you th-reme- Okay, think about crypto in 2020 and 2021 and how many really hot, amazing companies there were, and how many of them had these catastrophic blowups, and, like, that, there has, there's no, th- there's been no pin that's been popped in the balloon of, of AI, and some of these companies are incredible, world-class, will be literally trillion-dollar companies, and some of them are total zeros, and we have no idea which one of them it is.
What I'm interested in is what is the thing that pops the, dare I say, bubble, or maybe I can say balloon, of, like, what, which, what's the company? What, just tell me who the Celsius is.

... a good, uh, sort of segue into, uh, the thing that's happening, uh, or at least the conversation about Anthropic, right? 'Cause, like, obviously, like, you know, their, their, uh, S1 has been out.

It's leaked to a few people, uh, but, you know, we, none of us have seen all of it, uh, yet.

They, um, uh, but, but the FT, like, talked about last year's revenue, uh, and unit economics, which was essentially like, yeah, they're, for, for every dollar 60 of compute, they are giving a dollar of revenue.

So, like, even, like, the unit economics of, of, of, um, Anthropic, let alone, like, all of the other expenses they have in training new models, et cetera, was, uh, it was, was deeply, deeply negative.
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