Sep 11, 2026 · 41 min · 7 segments
This conversation explores the profound impact of care ethics in safety, leadership, and organizational culture, emphasizing the importance of empathy, vulnerability, and human connection in…
Rachel HegartyGuest
Nipun AnandHost
Catherine LogieGuestLindaGuest
Hello and welcome to Embracing Differences with me, but also with Rachel, my friend Rachel, Catherine and Linda.

um maybe a good idea to do a little introduction about ourselves and then we get into the crooks of stories of care which is what we want to talk about today so over to you rachel say a few words about yourself please so people know who they you are and why they should listen to you

And I suppose I've been involved, I would like to say, in environmental health and safety now for almost 27 years.

I have a passion for it, I believe in it, but I suppose I've started to ask myself some more grown-up questions within the field, looking outside safety to see how we can explore our own understanding of people because there's a lot of people involvement with safety at all different levels and understanding those fundamentals that people aren't numbers, they're not motivated by numbers, I'm not myself and so I've been exploring and this concept or this meaning of care and ethics has captured me.

I don't fully understand it all, but I'm learning and I'm delighted to be here with you all.

Hi Nipin, thank you for inviting me to join this lovely pre-flowing conversation.

I've worked in the maritime industry for quite a lot of years now, I think at last count I was up to 29 years.

And I've always been really involved in the maritime education, learning kind of area, but working also with Maritime professionals from a wide range of sectors, whether it's HSEQ training or more laterally in software design.

So my background before I joined the industry, it seems to be almost coming full circle now Nipin, because many, many, many years ago at university, I studied film and media.



I've worked in teacher training programmes on the methodology of language teaching within the maritime sector as well.

So I feel that this background I have in language specifically and the way that we construct meaning is very, very relevant to the conversations that we're having now within SPAR, the social psychology of risk.
Sure.
Thank you, Nipun, for inviting me to speak with Catherine and Rachel.
So great to be on this podcast together.
I have been either in environmental health and safety or in the laboratory world my entire career.
I've experienced EHS, environmental health and safety, in industry, heavy manufacturing, and also in other contexts, specifically higher education.
And I have found that this idea of care and care ethics is what has been missing.
I couldn't identify it, I couldn't put language to it.
I know that there was a disturbance in me, just in who I am throughout my career.
And only now, as I'm beginning to spend more time thinking about and learning about score, do I find the language to describe the thing that I think is missing from the industry and from my career for so long.
So I'm very excited to be here to have this conversation.
I find through my dialogue training that conversations like this bring up a lot of implicit knowing that I didn't know even existed.
So that release of potential I find often occurs in containers like this.
Thank you so much for putting it together.

I'm just listening to the three of you and thinking, you know, you have all spent two and a half to three decades in what you do, maybe more, and you still hold space for so much humility and learning in you neither of you sounded about yourselves neither are you talked about your achievements neither of you spoke about you know anything that would that would come from a position of ego let's say you were outright about your orientation towards people and learning and I think and that was totally unconscious to you this was not something that you had scripted and that itself is such a great lesson in ethics that I think that listeners would probably resonate with this that how important it is to understand the care ethics just by listening to how people introduce themselves and it's remarkable.

I have had very different kinds of conversations and you know, one can listen to people and see what their orientation is and it was such a wonderful introduction without saying too much about yourself.
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