3 Big Ideas from This Month's Episodes | Education Leaders Live

I mean, listen, on the first listening, I was deeply troubled.

By the time I got to number three, I was starting to see some of the detail in what Claire was talking about.

And I think there was probably a bit more common ground than appeared at first glance.

Claire's clearly very charismatic and clearly very knowledgeable.

And I think that came across as very strong certainty in what she was saying.

And I think that was probably my sort of first challenge with this is, in that certainty can breed a degree of false confidence in those around you.

And it's all very well Claire having the sort of nuanced understanding and background, which she clearly does.

But when you sort of put that message out there and you create a certainty in others, it's not always applied in the same nuanced fashion.

That was a little bit of my issue, that Claire's sort of output, if you like, was so absolute.

And that started, I think the actual start of the podcast was that her position was that schools do not kill creativity at all.

And there was the emphasis on that at all.

And I think that's a monstrously big assertion to make.

And I sort of struggle with that.

And that's what set me off a little bit uncomfortably at the beginning.

But by the time I got to part three, if you like, there was grounds for agreement in certain areas.

And I think it's probably worth getting them on record.

On my notes, I've got like points of agreement, points of disagreement and things to discuss and things like that.

I think that was what I sent you when I first read it.

And there's definitely areas of agreement here with Claire, and I'm keen to get that on record.

And I also recognize that we put our opinions out there, and it's always a pretty tough environment because we're subjecting ourselves to scrutiny.

There's a lot of emotional investment in those opinions and ideas.

And we do need to be respectful of that in the sort of feedback loop, if you like.

But equally, we need to be ready to have that debate and discussion.

So I think she pointed out that creativity is important.

I don't think anyone can necessarily disagree with that.