Kate AssarafGuest
Andrej TumaHost
And you mentioned that you didn't want to make sustainability as the core aspect of the product, of the brand.

Why is that? Because so many people had a negative experience with sustainable products.

Yeah, well, most people I know at the forefront of their personality is not sustainability.

But what they want is not the same as like the way I saw the avatar of a sustainable person.

Like the avatar in the United States of a sustainable person is someone who, you know, Like grows their own food, only shops at farmer's markets, you know, doesn't engage in any kind of consumerism.

They want to do well by the earth and then they want something that's, you know, going to make them feel good.

Yeah, and I think there's a great lesson for a lot of brands that have a big mission because oftentimes the mission will not be the reason why people buy.

It is maybe the reason why the brand exists or why the founder launched the brand, but it's not what makes people buy and it shouldn't be what you position your whole brand around and put out in your marketing.

And that is, I think, the case with you, with the sustainable side of things, right?

And you see that with like, so I think sustainability is probably the tertiary reason someone purchases dip, but you know, more people want something that's great value for their money and that works.

And the fact that it's plastic free is really comes in a little bit later as a third.

But I saw once, I guess maybe a long time ago, maybe 20 years ago when there's a company here in the United States called Warby Parker.

I don't know whether they're international, but they, I went to go see the founders speak about that company and they sell glasses, affordable glasses, because in the United States, the glasses are so expensive.

But Warby Parker had a business model where I think they were like ninety nine dollars.

And you mentioned that you didn't want to make sustainability as the core aspect of the product, of the brand.

Why is that? Because so many people had a negative experience with sustainable products.

Yeah, well, most people I know at the forefront of their personality is not sustainability.

But what they want is not the same as like the way I saw the avatar of a sustainable person.

Like the avatar in the United States of a sustainable person is someone who, you know, Like grows their own food, only shops at farmer's markets, you know, doesn't engage in any kind of consumerism.

They want to do well by the earth and then they want something that's, you know, going to make them feel good.

Yeah, and I think there's a great lesson for a lot of brands that have a big mission because oftentimes the mission will not be the reason why people buy.

It is maybe the reason why the brand exists or why the founder launched the brand, but it's not what makes people buy and it shouldn't be what you position your whole brand around and put out in your marketing.

And that is, I think, the case with you, with the sustainable side of things, right?

And you see that with like, so I think sustainability is probably the tertiary reason someone purchases dip, but you know, more people want something that's great value for their money and that works.

And the fact that it's plastic free is really comes in a little bit later as a third.

But I saw once, I guess maybe a long time ago, maybe 20 years ago when there's a company here in the United States called Warby Parker.

I don't know whether they're international, but they, I went to go see the founders speak about that company and they sell glasses, affordable glasses, because in the United States, the glasses are so expensive.

But Warby Parker had a business model where I think they were like ninety nine dollars.
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