Apr 30, 2026 · 1 hr 37 min · 18 segments
Dog Pro Radio interviews Jamie Penrith, UK-based trainer and owner of Take the Lead Dog Training, who brings over 25 years of experience, including a decade as a police dog handler. The conversation…
So you mentioned a few minutes ago animal welfare, and I always am intrigued by that word because it means so many things to so many people.
And you mentioned when we were offline that that's one of your big focuses is animal welfare.
I was going to say, whether you're talking about in the context of dogs and dog training or whether you're, you know, I'm no animal welfare professor, but an animal's ability to cope with its environment, you know, and to best enable an animal to cope with its environment would be working towards contributing towards an animal's welfare, an animal's ability to be able to exhibit and express normal behaviours in a normal way.
So really taking a fish and confining the fish to a bowl would arguably be against animal welfare.
Whereas taking a dog and allowing a dog to run on trails and hikes and beaches and mountains and such, but have that dog controlled and responsive and not a threat to any other animal.
Because again, a principle thing for myself, it isn't just about what's at the end of my leash that's important.
They have as much of a right to have their welfare protected as my own animal.
So it's very difficult to sort of put your finger on and pinpoint this is what it is.
But for me, it is providing, preserving and promoting the safety and the freedoms of my dog and other animals or people that may be impacted by the presence or the behavior of my dog.
And an e-collar or a prong collar or a slip leash or a flexi lead or a head collar, whatever it happens to be, are tools that, under the right circumstances, used appropriately with quality kit, are great facilitators in a lot of areas to be able to provide and promote support.
that animal welfare where other areas or other approaches perhaps fail in that regard or may not be able to give the animal as quick an opportunity to be able to experience that life.
And so the sooner that I can get you to be able to experience and express what nature has said to you, hey, look, you're capable of doing this, you're going to have a fantastic life, then I'm very much for that.
And when I try anything that I put out on social media, I try not to be either an approach or a tool, but I try to be far broader than that.
These might facilitate this, but it's this that is the driving factor for me.
And then you said something I can't remember exactly, but letting dogs do just normal dog stuff, normal animal stuff, which is, which is so key because I'm often intrigued that people that talk about welfare are then have all these reasons why a dog shouldn't be off leash because they can't be trusted.
And to me, you know, having a dog confined to a leash for its whole life is disgusting.
So you mentioned a few minutes ago animal welfare, and I always am intrigued by that word because it means so many things to so many people.
And you mentioned when we were offline that that's one of your big focuses is animal welfare.
I was going to say, whether you're talking about in the context of dogs and dog training or whether you're, you know, I'm no animal welfare professor, but an animal's ability to cope with its environment, you know, and to best enable an animal to cope with its environment would be working towards contributing towards an animal's welfare, an animal's ability to be able to exhibit and express normal behaviours in a normal way.
So really taking a fish and confining the fish to a bowl would arguably be against animal welfare.
Whereas taking a dog and allowing a dog to run on trails and hikes and beaches and mountains and such, but have that dog controlled and responsive and not a threat to any other animal.
Because again, a principle thing for myself, it isn't just about what's at the end of my leash that's important.
They have as much of a right to have their welfare protected as my own animal.
So it's very difficult to sort of put your finger on and pinpoint this is what it is.
But for me, it is providing, preserving and promoting the safety and the freedoms of my dog and other animals or people that may be impacted by the presence or the behavior of my dog.
And an e-collar or a prong collar or a slip leash or a flexi lead or a head collar, whatever it happens to be, are tools that, under the right circumstances, used appropriately with quality kit, are great facilitators in a lot of areas to be able to provide and promote support.
that animal welfare where other areas or other approaches perhaps fail in that regard or may not be able to give the animal as quick an opportunity to be able to experience that life.
And so the sooner that I can get you to be able to experience and express what nature has said to you, hey, look, you're capable of doing this, you're going to have a fantastic life, then I'm very much for that.
And when I try anything that I put out on social media, I try not to be either an approach or a tool, but I try to be far broader than that.
These might facilitate this, but it's this that is the driving factor for me.
And then you said something I can't remember exactly, but letting dogs do just normal dog stuff, normal animal stuff, which is, which is so key because I'm often intrigued that people that talk about welfare are then have all these reasons why a dog shouldn't be off leash because they can't be trusted.
And to me, you know, having a dog confined to a leash for its whole life is disgusting.
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