Dev Dream Pod with Blake Gocey
Jul 5, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min · 10 segments
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Blake GoceyHostSo then I'll ask it, what did I tell you to do? And it'll tell me what I told it to do.
And then what did, what did you do? And it'll be like, Oh, I did this instead.
But like, if you don't have my friends expertise in programming, you can't necessarily recognize that that first answer was like totally wrong.
And you don't, you won't then have the ability to coax it into giving you a good answer.
Um, so I think if you're early stage in your career, um, I think it's scary, but I think still investing in what you would have invested in pre-generative AI is a good idea because those principles, those skill sets, the expertise and recognition that that will allow you to have is going to be really, really important, even in a world where generative AI is everywhere and
This may be a good time to kind of transition into some of your other background and why maybe you're a good person to have this conversation with.
But can you tell me about founding Ironclad and what that company is or was? Yeah.
And we built the company up over, uh, a decade from, you know, just the two of us to, um, when I left, it was 600 employees.
I think now we're up to 700 employees, um, from zero customers to 2000, uh, over 2000 customers.
I think most recent, uh, recently, um, and a lot of like big multinational corporations in there.
So then I'll ask it, what did I tell you to do? And it'll tell me what I told it to do.
And then what did, what did you do? And it'll be like, Oh, I did this instead.
But like, if you don't have my friends expertise in programming, you can't necessarily recognize that that first answer was like totally wrong.
And you don't, you won't then have the ability to coax it into giving you a good answer.
Um, so I think if you're early stage in your career, um, I think it's scary, but I think still investing in what you would have invested in pre-generative AI is a good idea because those principles, those skill sets, the expertise and recognition that that will allow you to have is going to be really, really important, even in a world where generative AI is everywhere and
This may be a good time to kind of transition into some of your other background and why maybe you're a good person to have this conversation with.
But can you tell me about founding Ironclad and what that company is or was? Yeah.
And we built the company up over, uh, a decade from, you know, just the two of us to, um, when I left, it was 600 employees.
I think now we're up to 700 employees, um, from zero customers to 2000, uh, over 2000 customers.
I think most recent, uh, recently, um, and a lot of like big multinational corporations in there.
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