Now, one question you actually wanted me to bring up because you feel like you have some value here is for someone that's early in their career, what are the skill trees that you think people should be investing in? And what are some that maybe aren't as applicable because of the rise of AI?

Yeah, I mean, I think we already sort of covered that.

If we're optimizing for learning, which I do feel like one should do in the early stage of one's career, maybe avoid generative AI don't try and learn generative AI as the first skill.

I think of it a little bit as it's still worth teaching arithmetic to children, even though they're probably going to be using a calculator quite a bit as an adult.

But having that basis of understanding how arithmetic works, how numbers work, is fundamental to being able to properly use a calculator and then go beyond that.

So I think the same is true.

Whatever discipline is calling to you, whether it's programming, like learn to code, learn what good software looks like, learn what good software principles are.

Is there anything, do you think, that at least the indie dev community could steal from the startup kind of mindset or community? Yeah,