Jun 17, 2026 · 39 min · 11 segments
In this episode of Deep Dive Podcast, host Rachel Wolfson sits down with Ian Dilick, head of developer relations at World Foundation, to discuss how to verify human identity in the age of AI. Ian…
Ian DillickGuest
Rachel WolfsonHost
So let's talk about proof of human because how is that different than identity, right? Like how can we prove that I am a human being versus just seeing my ID or passport?


let you prove that you're a human without ever needing to learn which human you are, right? There's also the NFC ID credential in WorldID where you can like scan the NFC chip of a passport.

That also allows you to prove that you're a human attested to by a government, right? which is more accessible for some people, right? They already like have their passport, they wouldn't need to visit an orb, but less than half of the global population has a digitally verifiable government ID.

So something like the orb is actually much more sort of universal than a passport.

And we have the orb sitting on the table between us for our listeners who are watching to see what it looks like.

Is it just across the United States or is it globally where you can actually walk into these world shops? I don't know if that's the correct terminology and use the orb to get that identification.

You only have to visit the orb once to verify, right? All of the data is self-custodied stored on your phone in your control.

We don't store any personal data anywhere, right? The orb isn't something that you need to have at your house.

It's just a one-time sort of initial verification and everything else from there is done with zero knowledge proofs and data that you control.

So if our listeners are not verified already and they want to be verified, what are those steps? Maybe walk us through the process.

So first step is download a WorldID compatible app, right? WorldApp is sort of the primary app that gets used for this.

So let's talk about proof of human because how is that different than identity, right? Like how can we prove that I am a human being versus just seeing my ID or passport?


let you prove that you're a human without ever needing to learn which human you are, right? There's also the NFC ID credential in WorldID where you can like scan the NFC chip of a passport.

That also allows you to prove that you're a human attested to by a government, right? which is more accessible for some people, right? They already like have their passport, they wouldn't need to visit an orb, but less than half of the global population has a digitally verifiable government ID.

So something like the orb is actually much more sort of universal than a passport.

And we have the orb sitting on the table between us for our listeners who are watching to see what it looks like.

Is it just across the United States or is it globally where you can actually walk into these world shops? I don't know if that's the correct terminology and use the orb to get that identification.

You only have to visit the orb once to verify, right? All of the data is self-custodied stored on your phone in your control.

We don't store any personal data anywhere, right? The orb isn't something that you need to have at your house.

It's just a one-time sort of initial verification and everything else from there is done with zero knowledge proofs and data that you control.

So if our listeners are not verified already and they want to be verified, what are those steps? Maybe walk us through the process.

So first step is download a WorldID compatible app, right? WorldApp is sort of the primary app that gets used for this.
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