Nov 3, 2026 · 57 min · 13 segments
Sam sits down with Ethan Lyon — principal AI engineer, Denver-based, MIT professional education background — for one of the most technically honest conversations on the show. Ethan has built AI…
Ethan LyonGuest
Sam DayHost
I understand you have landed somewhere different from where most people are on this because you generally don't double check anymore.

And when we talk about trust with whatever the LLM comes back with, there's one side, which is very, very risk averse.

Tell me the top 10 brands that you think would be best for parachutes or let me come up with brand names.

And when you're saying, well, what were my Q4 revenue numbers for 2026 or 2025 year over year? You want that to be right every single time.

I think what's happened is we get so excited about what AI can do that we just say, hey, the number doesn't really matter.

And then when you give it to practitioners and they get in front of a client and they have to explain a number and they can't, that then becomes a tremendous risk to your business, to trust.

And so I think it's definitely that continuum and trust sits right where that number is, right where you're chatting with your data.

When working with account teams and you're trying to bring in marketing data and create presentations, if that number is wrong once, then that fear, uncertainty and doubt has been sowed in that individual who's then going to be creating something again.

It was incredibly important when we started pulling data into cloud and the web interface using MCP.
oh, wow, it went to the wrong product, the wrong data set, to the wrong

I understand you have landed somewhere different from where most people are on this because you generally don't double check anymore.

And when we talk about trust with whatever the LLM comes back with, there's one side, which is very, very risk averse.

Tell me the top 10 brands that you think would be best for parachutes or let me come up with brand names.

And when you're saying, well, what were my Q4 revenue numbers for 2026 or 2025 year over year? You want that to be right every single time.

I think what's happened is we get so excited about what AI can do that we just say, hey, the number doesn't really matter.

And then when you give it to practitioners and they get in front of a client and they have to explain a number and they can't, that then becomes a tremendous risk to your business, to trust.

And so I think it's definitely that continuum and trust sits right where that number is, right where you're chatting with your data.

When working with account teams and you're trying to bring in marketing data and create presentations, if that number is wrong once, then that fear, uncertainty and doubt has been sowed in that individual who's then going to be creating something again.

It was incredibly important when we started pulling data into cloud and the web interface using MCP.
oh, wow, it went to the wrong product, the wrong data set, to the wrong
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