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This is what Rabbi Shimon ben Gamliel in the Mishnah is saying to the Tanakham, that you only exempted two generations.

from the Tzoyin Barzil and no further.

Even up to ten generations, they will be exempt.

Rabbi Shimon Gamliel needed to tell him specifically in this language if Rabbi Shimon Gamliel would have said that also the babies of the babies babies are potter then I would maybe make a mistake that those are the only one that he's exempting but not any further generation just as the Tanakhama that even though he exempts the second generation he Nevertheless, the generation that follows he obligates.

So here too I would say that Shimon Gamaliel only came to add an additional generation.

But he did not intend to exempt all the generations.

but according to Rav Huna who holds that the Tanakhama did not exempt the later generation but only the babies of the Tzim Barzal those that were born from the behemoths that the Goy owns the Tzim Barzal of the Goy so the question is why did you do this? So why is Rav Shimon Gamaliel saying even ten generations, the main chiddush of Rav Shimon Gamaliel is that he's exempting even those that weren't born from the Adam of the Goy directly.

So he should have said, even the babies of the babies are putter, to tell us that we are not talking about we're not only pattering those that were born to the animal which the Goy owns, but even to the baby from the animal that the Goy owned, and its baby would also be pattered.

And we would already know that the Din is still ten generations.

The Gimara answers, Rabhuna will answer you, Rabshim Gamli Lahem Id Koyim.

that the words of Rav Shimon Gamliel they are referring to on the Din that we learned in the Mishnah that if he placed the children instead of their mother Because in this case, the Tanakhama did go down two generations because he exempted also the third generation when he was Maimed, when he specifically said, that he was miming the Vlodis that he should be able to collect from the Vlodis also for their mothers and in that case he added a third generation and therefore Rav Shimon Gamliel needed to say to clarify that even up to generation it's potter because in this case even the Tanakhama was Mechaiv a generation which is not connected to the to the Goy to babies from there Because he added a generation.

And even in that case, Rabbi Shimon HaVadil comes to disagree and says, no, up to ten generations.

So the Gemara Toshma.

Come and listen, I'll ask you a question from Rabbi Yehuda from Avraiseh.

It says, One who received this Tzoyn Barzal from the Goyi Hein Velodos Peturim.

so the babies themselves are exempt from the b'choira but the baby's baby knows so we see clearly that this is a challenge to Rabbi Yehuda because he exempts even the baby's babies what are the answers? Rabbi Yehuda will answer you, that you should not, have the version, but, meaning just them, and their babies are exempt, them, is what, that means the babies, and, those are the, babies of the babies, So then already we have already the third generation also are also potter like Rabbi Yehuda says.

Others say that the one who asked the question had the version in the Braisse So in this case we see both.

So then that would be a support for Rabbi Yehuda, but that would be to Yufta the Rabbi Huna.

That would challenge Rabbi Huna.

He says that the Valdi V'Lodis are Chayavim.

Rabbi Huna would say, that we have to, the right version is Hain V'V'Lodis Peturim.

that only them, the animal itself, the Tzen Barzel, and their baby will be potter.

But Valdevalod is a chayiv, but the babies, of the babies would be chayiv, if they have a firstborn, they would be chayiv.