The Science of Security Leadership - Jim O’Connell - Cyber Smokehouse - Episode #33

So now one thing that we were chatting about now, you know, I do think this is a great topic and we haven't hit it, but we just talked about here, but I am really curious about the trucking side and, and like the technology that's going on and trucks driving themselves.

I mean, what are the security, what's going on there? I mean, like, what do we have to be concerned about? What were you concerned about?

And I would argue that it's a cross transport devices.

Yeah.

right? Whether it's cars or trucks or forklifts or airplanes, the more technology that's going into those things, the more that decisioning is made in those methods of transport, for me, the greater the risk, right? And it's...

I'm not going to say that there's not focus on it, but sometimes getting that self-driving car out there might be more important than making sure it can't be hacked, right? Take a quick step back to, who was it, Hyundai a bunch of years ago, right? With the key fobs and the extenders and all of a sudden all the cars are getting stolen.

To me, that's an example of... product getting out there without necessarily understanding what the risk or the risk environment could be for those.

Trucks and planes and boats, you're just talking larger scale.

In our pre-call here, right, and I've had this conversation with a lot of people, ransomware and corporations, right, wildly important, destructive, all those things.

And I can appreciate all that from a financial perspective.

When it comes to vehicles, whether that's trucks or cars, it's the paranoia in me is really around the killware, right? It's the folks, the bad guys, state actors, whomever.

who aren't in it for the money, right? They're in it for the statements or the tragedy that they can inflate.

And I'd love to think that folks who are creating these onboard compute devices are cognizant of that and always keeping that in the forefront.

Everybody wants to be the...

the best automated or self-driving truck or car or whatever.

But if folks aren't careful, there's a dark road ahead.

I mean, it happens when you think about it, as you were describing that, I was thinking about drones as well, which are another form of transport that we're seeing more.

I see Amazons like now doing drone deliveries if you live within seven miles of a distribution center.

So that's another form that we haven't talked about, but I mean, it's the same issues apply there too, right? Absolutely.

And again, the And I'm not saying this about Amazon or anybody else, so I don't need them knocking on my door, except to deliver.

But even back in the day with phones, when these all were the first coming out and the rage and everything, there was no encryption, if you remember, because we got to get the product out and we'll worry about how we encrypt data at a different time.

And that created... problems in and of itself um and that's my a bit of my worries as folks are accelerating On the technology side, to get product out, they might not be spending enough time understanding what the bad guys can do.

And we can't have a conversation without talking about AI, right? So with AI, the bad guys are just going to figure out how to do bad stuff faster.

So that's kind of the yin and yang of this, I think.

So, hey, Jim, I just want to take us back.

So now one thing that we were chatting about now, you know, I do think this is a great topic and we haven't hit it, but we just talked about here, but I am really curious about the trucking side and, and like the technology that's going on and trucks driving themselves.

I mean, what are the security, what's going on there? I mean, like, what do we have to be concerned about? What were you concerned about?

And I would argue that it's a cross transport devices.

Yeah.

right? Whether it's cars or trucks or forklifts or airplanes, the more technology that's going into those things, the more that decisioning is made in those methods of transport, for me, the greater the risk, right? And it's...

I'm not going to say that there's not focus on it, but sometimes getting that self-driving car out there might be more important than making sure it can't be hacked, right? Take a quick step back to, who was it, Hyundai a bunch of years ago, right? With the key fobs and the extenders and all of a sudden all the cars are getting stolen.

To me, that's an example of... product getting out there without necessarily understanding what the risk or the risk environment could be for those.

Trucks and planes and boats, you're just talking larger scale.

In our pre-call here, right, and I've had this conversation with a lot of people, ransomware and corporations, right, wildly important, destructive, all those things.

And I can appreciate all that from a financial perspective.

When it comes to vehicles, whether that's trucks or cars, it's the paranoia in me is really around the killware, right? It's the folks, the bad guys, state actors, whomever.

who aren't in it for the money, right? They're in it for the statements or the tragedy that they can inflate.

And I'd love to think that folks who are creating these onboard compute devices are cognizant of that and always keeping that in the forefront.

Everybody wants to be the...

the best automated or self-driving truck or car or whatever.

But if folks aren't careful, there's a dark road ahead.

I mean, it happens when you think about it, as you were describing that, I was thinking about drones as well, which are another form of transport that we're seeing more.

I see Amazons like now doing drone deliveries if you live within seven miles of a distribution center.

So that's another form that we haven't talked about, but I mean, it's the same issues apply there too, right? Absolutely.

And again, the And I'm not saying this about Amazon or anybody else, so I don't need them knocking on my door, except to deliver.

But even back in the day with phones, when these all were the first coming out and the rage and everything, there was no encryption, if you remember, because we got to get the product out and we'll worry about how we encrypt data at a different time.

And that created... problems in and of itself um and that's my a bit of my worries as folks are accelerating On the technology side, to get product out, they might not be spending enough time understanding what the bad guys can do.

And we can't have a conversation without talking about AI, right? So with AI, the bad guys are just going to figure out how to do bad stuff faster.

So that's kind of the yin and yang of this, I think.

So, hey, Jim, I just want to take us back.