Jul 22, 2026 · 43 min · 14 segments
This episode is for you if: 1 - You feel lost trying to find yourself as a creator 2 - You need some different types of artists to see yourself in 3 - You need a lighthearted chat to help get you…
Ilana GriffoGuestKatie JohnsonGuestThis is a, a weird moment on all kinds of levels, having done a few books myself.
So I don't know if you experience this, because I think our brains are wired a little more similarly than-
... uh, maybe yours and Katie's or mine and Katie's, but the day after my first book came out, I was, like, down in the dumps, and it's like you get to the...
... it's done, and you're like, "Okay, what's next? Do I raise the bar? Like, now I have to wait for people to buy it, and, like, I'm not even gonna read the reviews.
I kinda feel that coming, and so I'm excited Katie and I are gonna be, like, celebrating together.
So we've been working on this book for three years from start to having it in our hands.
And so, you know, getting a literary agent, refining our pitch, writing it, and then, like, we had a long time from when the final files were due until it's in our hands.
So also it's just like, wait, is it finally actually here? Or it's just a really weird kind of, um, like, purgatory to be in.
This is a, a weird moment on all kinds of levels, having done a few books myself.
So I don't know if you experience this, because I think our brains are wired a little more similarly than-
... uh, maybe yours and Katie's or mine and Katie's, but the day after my first book came out, I was, like, down in the dumps, and it's like you get to the...
... it's done, and you're like, "Okay, what's next? Do I raise the bar? Like, now I have to wait for people to buy it, and, like, I'm not even gonna read the reviews.
I kinda feel that coming, and so I'm excited Katie and I are gonna be, like, celebrating together.
So we've been working on this book for three years from start to having it in our hands.
And so, you know, getting a literary agent, refining our pitch, writing it, and then, like, we had a long time from when the final files were due until it's in our hands.
So also it's just like, wait, is it finally actually here? Or it's just a really weird kind of, um, like, purgatory to be in.
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