Jul 1, 2026 · 58 min · 13 segments
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Rob CupelloGuestDanny KerrHostAnd what are you seeing as a pattern, especially with the contractors you work with? Like, what are we all doing wrong right now?

I think it's just, I think it's the hype, right? Like, I think we're, that's what happens though.

We see on social media that there's this magic button that can fix, you know, you can get an agent and it's going to, you know, change the way you do business.

I think that's the biggest thing that I see people are getting wrong is that we're just keep chasing the tools.

And I think that we just need to take a step back a little bit and just really understand what are we trying to solve and then go find the tools that fit rather than the other way around.

I have to say like there's, There's these experts, you know, experts, and I don't consider myself an expert at all on learning, is that we're pushing this, right? We're pushing tools on clients.

I just think you're doing a disservice to the client when you need to understand the business.

Is it right operations for you to do it? So I don't think anyone's doing anything wrong.

I think we're just getting caught up in the hype and grabbing a tool and trying it out, right? Yeah.
It's like I put so much time into this thing and it even like gave me this solution that I needed for this one thing, but then I can't use it over and over and over again.

And it's funny because it's not, it's never the dollars because these descriptions are cheap, right? 20 bucks a year or whatever.

I have a friend that's, you know, runs an agency in Portland and he built himself nine agents using OpenClaw, but he put about 3000 hours worth of work.
And what are you seeing as a pattern, especially with the contractors you work with? Like, what are we all doing wrong right now?

I think it's just, I think it's the hype, right? Like, I think we're, that's what happens though.

We see on social media that there's this magic button that can fix, you know, you can get an agent and it's going to, you know, change the way you do business.

I think that's the biggest thing that I see people are getting wrong is that we're just keep chasing the tools.

And I think that we just need to take a step back a little bit and just really understand what are we trying to solve and then go find the tools that fit rather than the other way around.

I have to say like there's, There's these experts, you know, experts, and I don't consider myself an expert at all on learning, is that we're pushing this, right? We're pushing tools on clients.

I just think you're doing a disservice to the client when you need to understand the business.

Is it right operations for you to do it? So I don't think anyone's doing anything wrong.

I think we're just getting caught up in the hype and grabbing a tool and trying it out, right? Yeah.
It's like I put so much time into this thing and it even like gave me this solution that I needed for this one thing, but then I can't use it over and over and over again.

And it's funny because it's not, it's never the dollars because these descriptions are cheap, right? 20 bucks a year or whatever.

I have a friend that's, you know, runs an agency in Portland and he built himself nine agents using OpenClaw, but he put about 3000 hours worth of work.
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